The most important skill in MMA.

War Oleg. Plus, Moti Horenstein sucked. Is that indicative of Krav Maga as a viable system in MMA ? IDK.

Oh yeah btw it's wrestling.

As stated earlier in the thread, didn't the guy win the Israeli championship like six times? Doesn't this prove that he was one of, if not the best krav maga practitioners? That being the case, I would say it's safe to assume that if he sucked, krav maga also sucks as a whole
 
Old-school Muay Thai uses swords, so I'd like to revise my answer and go with Muay Thai.

Muay boran (old school muay thai) used head butts and a hemp rope hand wrap often hardend which would cause mad cuts but i didn't think swords were involved although it was a war based fighting style I guess
 
I'd trained bjj for years before I went and trained with actual brazilians and my mind was opened to the fact that old school bjj not only incorporates takedowns but strikes too

Ya. It's a common trend in martial arts. People tend to look at the sport version and what is emphasized in its ruleset and then the more varied combative techniques tend to get downplayed or even discarded, which is tragic. It happened in wrestling, judo, BJJ, muay thai, TKD etc. Now it's happening in MMA to a lesser extent. It's a big reason why I'm against pointfighting in MMA because it's having that effect more than MMA needs to for it to exist successfully as a sport.

People think judo doesn't have strikes but in the year I spent learning judo I learned a little atemi waza (striking). Of course, the instructor I had is an older judoka who had incredible knowledge. My muay thai instructor showed me muay thai was more than striking and some throws when you got beyond the sport version. Unfortunately my TKD instructor taught the watered down sport version exclusively. I'm sure a lot of people have had similar experiences.
 
When and if a high level Krav Maga practitioner decides to compete in the UFC, he will become champion of his weight class.
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They aren't dominating because competition isn't part of Krav Maga, like how it is with all other forms of martial arts.

You kinda contradicted yourself there mr. dragon
 
When and if a high level Krav Maga practitioner decides to compete in the UFC, he will become champion of his weight class.

Krav Maga is a no holds barred form of martial arts, but if it can be tweaked to conform with the rules of the UFC, there's no doubt in my mind it is the ultimate skill-set to defend against all others.

I've seen high level Krav Maga experts in action, and there's no stopping them (literally).


Are you serious?

By your logic, Paul Vunak should be one of the p4p best fighters in MMA.
 
I'm sure I've seen a video of a Krav Maga " expert " that challenged a mma guy to a fight and got ko'd... I'm not disrespecting Krav Maga I've never trained in it however think it seems like a very practical and impressive discipline, just I thought someone would have bought this up or posted a link
 
As stated earlier in the thread, didn't the guy win the Israeli championship like six times? Doesn't this prove that he was one of, if not the best krav maga practitioners? That being the case, I would say it's safe to assume that if he sucked, krav maga also sucks as a whole

Good point.
 
Having done BJJ for years at several different legit dojos under many different instructors I can attest to the fact that BJJ does not emphasize takedowns at all.

If someone wanted to train one martial art only to be a better fighter, I would absolutely suggest BJJ over other disciplines, by far.

It's very different than other arts. With striking, even though one may not have experience, generally they know the idea is not to get hit by the other guy and try to hit him. Wrestlers showed in the early stages of MMA that they could not finish a fight to save their lives, until they learned to utilize ground and pound. Ground and pound is a discipline in of itself. Definitely not taught in the sport of wrestling.

BJJ is a sport that when you begin you're like "wtf?" It is not exactly intuitive at all at first. Also, I've never done any sport where the progress is so rapid. Within 6 months, I'm tapping all the newbs that walk through the door, even if they're bigger and stronger.

More than that though, BJJ teaches you confidence in every position. What art has you fighting from so many positions. And you learn so much about each position as well. In boxing, you and your opponent are standing, face to face. Wrestling, you're just trying to throw and pin the other guy. But in BJJ you could be fighting from standing, you could be standing over the other guy's guard, kneeling over his guard, half guard, mount, back mount, side control. And of course you could be on the other side of all those positions. Before BJJ, if someone bear hugged me or got me in a headlock or somehow I found them on my back, or mounted me, what would I do? I wouldn't know what to do. But when you fight from those positions hundreds of times, you're very comfortable there. If someone hasn't trained grabs you anywhere from any position, big trouble for them.

Boxing has had success in MMA only when combined with other stuff. How many boxing matches end up in KO before even one clinch. Hardly ever. Well in MMA there's no ref to break you up. What is the boxer going to do when the ref doesn't break the clinch? He doesn't know. He's never trained that before.

What will the wrestler do when he pins the guy, but the guy ties up his arms and the wrestler is not familiar with using his base in such a way that allows him to put power in his strikes? This is an art too. When Dan Severn was on top of people, he would pitty pat strike. Couldn't generate power.

So as a stand alone discipline, BJJ and it's not even close. One must at least have defensive BJJ (much easier to learn than offensive) in order to survive or change positions to utilize their striking. That's enough out of me.
 
I think turning this into a poll would be a good idea.
 
They aren't dominating because competition isn't part of Krav Maga, like how it is with all other forms of martial arts.

It's the purest and most lethal form of martial arts training there is.

You put a MMA fighter up against a Krav Maga specialist on the street and I guarantee you, the MMA fighter will walk away with broken bones or seriously injuries if they're lucky, and if not, they'll end up dead.


Textbook mythical thinking right here. If two guys fight, the better fighter wins. If the MMA fighter is better than the Krav Maga fighter, the MMA fighter will win. Same goes vice-versa.

To answer your question, TS -- wrestling has got to be the most important skill in MMA now. If you can dictate where the fight takes place, you can dictate when you want to punch or sub a guy.
 
That is total bullshit. Krav Maga is so effective because of its no holds barred approach. Take away those techniques and KM fighters don't have much going on. We have had a few Krav Maga instructors come through my gym and get owned by our amateur MMA fighters. In life and death situations I have no doubt that they are bad mother fuckers but honestly it just isn't conducive to MMA. You can't tweak a beserker style of fighting to rule based fighting. Sorry.

Probably the best answer for the OP. If you take away what makes Krav dangerous it isn't dangerous anymore and isn't actually Krav. If you make rules to where someone has none and then limit them it isn't a fair assumption on that skill set.

Look at Greg Stott ( Army Ranger and HtH champion ) he got KO'd in less than 30 seconds by Mark Kerr. Give him no rules and it could be a different story. I would still say Rangers and Krav practitioners are pretty bad ass mofo's.
 
I think what we have learned is you cannot be a master at 1 skill but a master of many to get to the top.
 
They aren't dominating because competition isn't part of Krav Maga, like how it is with all other forms of martial arts.

It's the purest and most lethal form of martial arts training there is.

You put a MMA fighter up against a Krav Maga specialist on the street and I guarantee you, the MMA fighter will walk away with broken bones or seriously injuries if they're lucky, and if not, they'll end up dead.

My money is on the MMA guy because guess what? He can do anything he wants in a street fight also.

Granted, the most lethal street fighter would be a mix between training safely like they do in MMA but also learning illegal techniques.

No Krav Maga guy out there puts in the hard work and dedication like top level MMA guys because there's no COMPETITION. MMA is getting very competitive these days and the limits are forever being pushed. The endurance and toughness and just the fact they are sparring plenty and working on techniques where partners are resisting puts a big gap between them and others.

EDIT - and in MMA rules? please. They would fair even worse than pure boxers.
 
Healthy knees, motivation and being broke.


  1. Motivation
  2. Having that look in one's eyes
  3. Healthy knees
  4. Being in one's prime
  5. Not having intestinal diseases
  6. Being broke, bankrupt, and/or homeless
  7. Having low Creatinine level
  8. Seriousness
  9. Being able to eat meat from horses
  10. Having a T:E ratio of at least 16.9:1
  11. Being in shape
 
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