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In various interviews Jon has dismissed DC's dominance over Hendo as nothing but "beating a 50-60 year old man".
In another interview Jon talked about Cormier being older than his Olympic glory days from 2004 and 2008, implying that he's no longer as good as before.
Jon has basically been trying to talk himself into "believing" that his wrestling is just as good as Cormier's, which leads me to believe that he fears DC's wrestling more than he lets on.
It also leads me to believe that Greg Jackson is blowing smoke up his ass to bolster his confidence, much like he did to Sarah Kaufman before she got out-clinched and steamrolled by Rousey.
But let's look at FACTS.
Let's examine some common opponents for a frame of reference. This isn't MMAmath, it's just a common frame of reference to judge wrestling skills.
FACT #1) Jon fought Rashad and beat him on the feet, but he really couldn't take Rashad down or manhandle him wrestling wise. Rashad also couldn't take Jon down or manhandle him wrestling wise. It was Jon picking Rashad apart on the feet. It was a good showing for Jon but his wrestling was not leaps and bounds above Rashad's wrestling. He probably has slightly better wrestling than Rashad, but not by much.
FACT #2) Jon fought Chael and outwrestled Chael, he TKO'd him in 4:33 of round #1. Impressive, right? But Rashad also fought Chael just 5 months after Jon did, and what happened? Rashad outwrestled Chael and TKO'd him even quicker than Jon did. LOL.
Therefore "outwrestling Chael" is something they both did. They both had similar success against the same opponent, beating him in round #1 in similar fashion.
Therefore the wrestling skills of both Jon and Rashad are at a very similar level, as they both showed similar wrestling against Chael and they both showed similar wrestling against each other [neither one dominated the other wrestling wise].
Let's also not forget that Demian Maia outwrestled Chael and submitted him even more impressively than Rashad or Jon did.
Therefore using Chael as a symbol of "world class wrestling" is foolish because he was never at that level. Chael's best achievement was 8th place during the 1998 NCAA tournament, barely making All American during that single year [and never reaching that level again]. He never made an Olympic team. He was never a top wrestler in the world and was never 'ranked' in world competition. Cormier got a bronze medal at the world championships and was ranked #2 in the world just before the 2008 Olympics.
How does DC stack up against common opponents?
FACT #3) Rashad fought Hendo and couldn't outwrestle him, going only 1 for 10 in takedown attempts. Hendo is the same "OLD MAN" that Jon claims no longer has any wrestling ability.
So even though Jon claims Hendo is too old to wrestle, Rashad still couldn't take Hendo down and barely won a split decision. But Rashad is the same person that Jon couldn't take down or manhandle wrestling wise, LOL.
FACT #4) DC fought Hendo just 11 months after Rashad did and RAGDOLLED him unlike anybody had ever done before in Hendo's entire life.
So it begs the question... Since DC has proven that his wrestling skills [vs Hendo] are light years beyond Rashad's wrestling skills, how can Jon claim he's not impressed? Because let's not forget, Jon himself couldn't outwrestle or manhandle Rashad and was forced to beat him on the feet.
Other FACTS:
Josh Barnett is an elite MMA wrestler who's much bigger than DC and is known for manhandling opponents, and nobody has ever ragdolled Josh in his life the way that DC did. Travis Browne didn't outwrestle Josh or manhandle him, he elbowed him. DC manhandled him.
Against Mir, DC chose to wall-n-stall as a safe gameplan since taking down a BJJ ace isn't the best plan. It was a good plan. He didn't need to take down Mir to win.
Against Nelson DC mixed in boxing with a few TD's to win on points, using a safe gameplan which worked.
What about Jon?
Jon went 1 for 10 in takedowns against Gus [a striker]. Even when he got Gus down, he still couldn't hold him down for more than 10 seconds. So for those of you who say Jon's top game is good enough to hold DC down, I'm laughing my butt off.
Not only that, but Jon spent LOTS of effort trying to take Gus down on some attempts. He spent TONS of effort trying to muscle Gus down from the clinch but still couldn't do it. This means his technique is not elite. He won't be throwing DC from the clinch if he can't throw Gus.
DC has never been shut down like that, wrestling wise.
Can anybody here name a SINGLE opponent who stifled DC's wrestling like Gus stifled Jon? 1 for fucken 10?
Even if Jon didn't practice his wrestling very much, no elite wrestler should be shut down like that. It shows Jon's wrestling is not at a world class level and you can't become world class in a 2 month camp.
Against Glover, Jon was barely able to take him down a couple times and could not hold him down and do GnP. And Glover's wrestling isn't even in the same universe as DC's. So it's funny when people say Jon will GnP Cormier. Total dreaming.
The facts are right there for anybody to see.
Jon is in the fight of his life. The people who think he's going to use kicks to keep DC at bay are as ignorant as those who thought Sarah Kaufman could use her superior striking to keep Rousey at bay.
You can "theorize" all you want but when a bullrusher with Olympic level clinching wants to clinch, you can't stop it.
Angles, reach, knee kicks, blah blah blah. It sounds great until DC or Rousey wants to bullrush and clinch. Olympic level bullrushers can clinch at will.
If anybody thinks Jon will just stand at clinch range and throw elbows like he did with Glover then you have no brains -- since clinch range means that DC can take him down if Jon's not being 100% defensive. Just wait until Saturday.
DC will grind Jon for the entire fight. It's Cain vs JDS all over again.
In another interview Jon talked about Cormier being older than his Olympic glory days from 2004 and 2008, implying that he's no longer as good as before.
Jon has basically been trying to talk himself into "believing" that his wrestling is just as good as Cormier's, which leads me to believe that he fears DC's wrestling more than he lets on.
It also leads me to believe that Greg Jackson is blowing smoke up his ass to bolster his confidence, much like he did to Sarah Kaufman before she got out-clinched and steamrolled by Rousey.
But let's look at FACTS.
Let's examine some common opponents for a frame of reference. This isn't MMAmath, it's just a common frame of reference to judge wrestling skills.
FACT #1) Jon fought Rashad and beat him on the feet, but he really couldn't take Rashad down or manhandle him wrestling wise. Rashad also couldn't take Jon down or manhandle him wrestling wise. It was Jon picking Rashad apart on the feet. It was a good showing for Jon but his wrestling was not leaps and bounds above Rashad's wrestling. He probably has slightly better wrestling than Rashad, but not by much.
FACT #2) Jon fought Chael and outwrestled Chael, he TKO'd him in 4:33 of round #1. Impressive, right? But Rashad also fought Chael just 5 months after Jon did, and what happened? Rashad outwrestled Chael and TKO'd him even quicker than Jon did. LOL.
Therefore "outwrestling Chael" is something they both did. They both had similar success against the same opponent, beating him in round #1 in similar fashion.
Therefore the wrestling skills of both Jon and Rashad are at a very similar level, as they both showed similar wrestling against Chael and they both showed similar wrestling against each other [neither one dominated the other wrestling wise].
Let's also not forget that Demian Maia outwrestled Chael and submitted him even more impressively than Rashad or Jon did.
Therefore using Chael as a symbol of "world class wrestling" is foolish because he was never at that level. Chael's best achievement was 8th place during the 1998 NCAA tournament, barely making All American during that single year [and never reaching that level again]. He never made an Olympic team. He was never a top wrestler in the world and was never 'ranked' in world competition. Cormier got a bronze medal at the world championships and was ranked #2 in the world just before the 2008 Olympics.
How does DC stack up against common opponents?
FACT #3) Rashad fought Hendo and couldn't outwrestle him, going only 1 for 10 in takedown attempts. Hendo is the same "OLD MAN" that Jon claims no longer has any wrestling ability.
So even though Jon claims Hendo is too old to wrestle, Rashad still couldn't take Hendo down and barely won a split decision. But Rashad is the same person that Jon couldn't take down or manhandle wrestling wise, LOL.
FACT #4) DC fought Hendo just 11 months after Rashad did and RAGDOLLED him unlike anybody had ever done before in Hendo's entire life.
So it begs the question... Since DC has proven that his wrestling skills [vs Hendo] are light years beyond Rashad's wrestling skills, how can Jon claim he's not impressed? Because let's not forget, Jon himself couldn't outwrestle or manhandle Rashad and was forced to beat him on the feet.
Other FACTS:
Josh Barnett is an elite MMA wrestler who's much bigger than DC and is known for manhandling opponents, and nobody has ever ragdolled Josh in his life the way that DC did. Travis Browne didn't outwrestle Josh or manhandle him, he elbowed him. DC manhandled him.
Against Mir, DC chose to wall-n-stall as a safe gameplan since taking down a BJJ ace isn't the best plan. It was a good plan. He didn't need to take down Mir to win.
Against Nelson DC mixed in boxing with a few TD's to win on points, using a safe gameplan which worked.
What about Jon?
Jon went 1 for 10 in takedowns against Gus [a striker]. Even when he got Gus down, he still couldn't hold him down for more than 10 seconds. So for those of you who say Jon's top game is good enough to hold DC down, I'm laughing my butt off.
Not only that, but Jon spent LOTS of effort trying to take Gus down on some attempts. He spent TONS of effort trying to muscle Gus down from the clinch but still couldn't do it. This means his technique is not elite. He won't be throwing DC from the clinch if he can't throw Gus.
DC has never been shut down like that, wrestling wise.
Can anybody here name a SINGLE opponent who stifled DC's wrestling like Gus stifled Jon? 1 for fucken 10?
Even if Jon didn't practice his wrestling very much, no elite wrestler should be shut down like that. It shows Jon's wrestling is not at a world class level and you can't become world class in a 2 month camp.
Against Glover, Jon was barely able to take him down a couple times and could not hold him down and do GnP. And Glover's wrestling isn't even in the same universe as DC's. So it's funny when people say Jon will GnP Cormier. Total dreaming.
The facts are right there for anybody to see.
Jon is in the fight of his life. The people who think he's going to use kicks to keep DC at bay are as ignorant as those who thought Sarah Kaufman could use her superior striking to keep Rousey at bay.
You can "theorize" all you want but when a bullrusher with Olympic level clinching wants to clinch, you can't stop it.
Angles, reach, knee kicks, blah blah blah. It sounds great until DC or Rousey wants to bullrush and clinch. Olympic level bullrushers can clinch at will.
If anybody thinks Jon will just stand at clinch range and throw elbows like he did with Glover then you have no brains -- since clinch range means that DC can take him down if Jon's not being 100% defensive. Just wait until Saturday.
DC will grind Jon for the entire fight. It's Cain vs JDS all over again.
