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Discussion in 'Strength & Conditioning Discussion' started by Braziluvr, May 16, 2008.

  1. MercuryGirl Banned Banned

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    here the workout that packed on 30lbs of solid muscle in 4-5 months

    legs:

    leg curls 1X20

    rest until fully recover

    leg extension 1X20 then right away 1X4 leg presses(i was up to 1500lbs)

    chest/back:

    chest fly on the machine 1X20 then right away to incline chest press on the machine

    rest until fully recover

    rows on the machine 1X4-6


    shoulders/arms:

    bent over dumbbell flies 1X20(slightly bend the elbows)

    rest until fully recovered

    dumbbell front raises 1X20

    rest until fully recovered

    tricep pulldowns 1X10-15 then straight away to dips until u cant do anymore

    rest until fully recovered

    overhand grip pulldowns 1X20

    thats the routine...at first the number of rest days is only 1 day in between but as the intensity increases it may be 2-3 days in between workouts ...just listen to ur body

    you'll know you need more rest days when the INTENSITY isnt there on your workout days

    so either increase ur rest days or increase how much you eat
     
  2. ronin0352 Lift, Eat, Sleep, Repeat

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    Why don't you go boil a lobster and jerk off to it.
     
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    Pics or work - I'd esp. like to see your upper thigh development.
     
  5. Barut Banned Banned

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    *Has the audacity to hope for change*
     
  6. would squatting to failure mean squatting until failure to live?
     
  7. Braziluvr Guest

    Same here - I was in a rut and desperate so I looked him up...I made gains every week, but it eventually plateaued - I don't agree with everything he preached but there's definitely something to his training philosophy.
     
  8. takeahnase watching the swarm

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    HIT flies in the face of much of sporting science. That doesn't mean it may not work in certain instances. Homeopathy is scientifically void if you account for the placebo effect, but many people swear by it and obviously there exist people have been "healed" by such procedures.
     
  9. maori rule all Blue Belt

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    What? Takeahnase why are you so inteligent? or know so many big words my head is fried. What do you mean?

    *sits down with legs crossed and reading glasses on*
     
  10. daemonarch push my car

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    Interesting post. I had same experience although I didnt gain as much weight as you, still I had some immediate progress after starting with HIT.
    AND my conditioning went straight to hell.:icon_twis
    But it is not Mike Mentzers foult, its the way our bodys work - great gains in strenght takes hard on conditioning and vice versa. Thats a fact of life many many people overlooking.
    So Mentzer basicly was right as many can witness HIT works greatly, it may be single greatest workout system for strenght and muscle mass building. BUT, you should not forget the cardio its your own obligation.
    As Pavel once said, "you want to get big and strong or you want to live long - its your choice."

    So I think that Mike was great in what he did, his system once again may be best ever when it comes to strenght training, he just "forget" to say that the system was not good for your cardio or overall conditioning. Why? My own guess is simply if you take on lets say 30 pounds of muscle on your system it will burden it severaly by its simple existance.

    People have a great missunderstanding by supposing that everything what goes under "physical excercise" must of necessity be healthy and that it not true.

    So if you need some good strenght program give HIT a chance, it takes not much of your time - two set to failure once a week, but dont forget the cardio!

    Doing just HIT and nothing else is not a good idea IMO...
     
  11. maori rule all Blue Belt

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    What is Pavel talking about. Working out is better than not working out at all and training for strength can be quite a complicated and most definite hard road to take, how can he say "you want to get big and strong or you want to live long - its your choice." If you eat right then your sorted the right diet plus intense strength exercises off course you'll live long. Cardio is still important though, But when I think Cardio, I think one 30 minutre run at most lol but I'd get my muscular endurance and Cardio from playing rugby so i'm sorted lol
     
  12. Todd Gack Dutch

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    Like most people I know who tried HIT, I plateaued after a couple of weeks. Linear progression just doesn't work for me.

    For a competitive lifter I can't really see how HIT could be at all effective.
     
  13. takeahnase watching the swarm

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    What successful powerlifter, olympic lifter or strongman trains on HIT principles?
     
  14. takeahnase watching the swarm

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    What successful powerlifter, olympic lifter or strongman trains on HIT principles?
     
  15. Todd Gack Dutch

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    The only competitive lifter I remember being 'associated' with HIT was Joey Almovadavar (sp). And really that was only because his lifting coach was Ken Leistner.
     
  16. maori rule all Blue Belt

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    I don't know maybe some of them have a H.I.T phase, Keith Wassung said he had many H.I.T phases and had good gains, but H.I.T is something that can't be maintained. his post in page 1 or 2 I think was very good.
     
  17. daemonarch push my car

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    Regarding Pavel, he said that sentence in one of his books, claryfying that "every once of weight you put on you BE IT MUSCLE OR FAT (!) is undoubtly a burden to your whole system, than he said : "you want to get big and strong or live long its your choice". He is advocate of training for strenght without gaining weight.
    If you think about it, it make sense and of course look around you: neither Mike nor Ray lived to their 50s- just first hand example. They were born with some heart condition - yeah right, like so many bodybuilders and pro wrestlers and strong man world over. I recently saw a list of pro wrestlers prematurely decised (the list is a couple of miles long) and huge majority lived not till their 50s cos - heart attack!
    You are saying now "Arnold is still alive" , yes after how many heart surgeries? People say they used roids, had bad hearth from the day they were born...yeah, excuses excuses, do not be an idiot.

    Dont get me wrong, not all strong man dies young although tendency is there, and Im not saying you got to be weak to live long. But its not that simple as you say "working out is better than not working out" - that is misskonception. You wanna belive it, well go for it. Still many people who never trained lived a 100 years and how many pro athletes did the same?

    Im training too. Maybe I do not want to live a 100 years?
    That is not the point. the point is if you push your training on endurance lets say you are training for marathon - you will be weak of neccesity cos trainig required for good marathon runner makes him weak from a standpoint not only of a strong man but even an ordinarie guy who does no trainig whatsoever. So we have the other extreme - if you train for pure strenght (HIT) you will the same way as marathon runner ruined his strenght - you will ruine your endurance (cardio, blood vessels...)

    If you not belive me, go ahed do HIT for a 6 months, without adding any other type of training and I promise you will end withworst shape of your life, regarding endurance. you will be strong as hell but you would be in better shape if you did no training whatsoever.

    Bottom line, see HIT for what it is, use it to gain strenght and volume (if you want) but do not forget the cardio. HIT is strenght building program it is not endurance program- these two are even mutualy exclusive!!! Think about it, dont be stupid (no offense)

    One more thing: do not see HIT as something written in stone, the great achivement of M Mentzer is showing to us (throught HIT) that a waste majority of us are overtraining and that we do not need that much training att all to be great. Whata idiot want to spend a life in the gym? As Mike mentzer put it "do least amount excercise required for progress and get the hell out a gym"
     
  18. dfoster Banned Banned

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    Interesting, you have sources for this? I'd love to read up on it.
     
  19. Keith Wassung <img src="http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4586/

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    Hmmm
     
  20. Reza Nasri Banned Banned

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    daemonarch Im really impressed by your posts. Very interesting and i agree with most of what u say.
     

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