The magnificent drumming skills of Antonio Sanchez

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First of all, if you're not into technical musical performance, get out of here!

For those who chose to keep on, know that this thread will be about jazz music. Say what you want about jazz, it is an art form often based on musical prowess and "athletic" performance of musicians. Needless to say, Jazz musicians are among the best at their instrument and have no rivals in any other kind of music. Without further ado, I must introduce you to one of the greatest drummer of all time, Antonio Sanchez. If you have never heard of him before, don't panic: he's notorious into the jazz world but pretty much unknown to the mainstream.

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Antonio Sanchez doing what he does best.

His big break came two years ago when he was asked by Alejandro Gonzales Iñarritu to compose and play a "drum-only" soundtrack for his movie "Birdman". It won the Sound Stars Award for best Film Score at the 2014 Venice Film Festival and got nominated for the 2014 Hollywood Music in Media Awards for best original Film Score. If you have seen Birdman, it is an unconventional movie and the soundtrack is unique and hard to grasp. It makes the movie what it is, a hidden masterpiece.

Now, my story with Antonio Sanchez is peculiar. It dates back to 2004 when I went to see a Jazz performance. The show was in a Montreal resto-bar called "The Upstairs", one of the most well-known Jazz venue in Montreal. We were not going to see Antonio Sanchez, we were going to see Ben Monder, a Jazz guitarist who happens to be my friend's guitar teacher. Monder doesn't come to Montreal often so we saw pretty much every single one of his shows from 2002 to 2016. That time, there was a strange name on the billboard: Antonio Sanchez on drums...

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This is not Cain Velasquez on guitar, this is Ben Monder...

First came the laughs: "Ah, Antonio Sanchez, they must have hired him from Mexico to save money!" But my friend knew better: "don't talk too fast, this guy drums with Pat Metheny on a regular basis." It got us intrigued so we proceeded to our assigned table. Lucky for us, we reserved a table early and the manager knew us so he placed us right in front of the stage. As a matter of fact, we were on "stage left" side, right beside the drums. If I wanted to, I could reach and touch the hi-hat, just to tell you how close we were.

So the show began. My first complain was that from where we were, I couldn't see the guitarist very good. In fact, he was hidden behind the 16 pieces drumkit. It didn't take long for me to forget about the obstructed view: when Antonio Sanchez rushed into him first solo, my head exploded. I was not prepared to see such skills: not only was he the fastest drummer I had ever seen but he was creative and artistic, very rare traits for a drummer. For example, he would play on his snare with a reversed stance and hit the hi-hat with the other side of his stick. Follow me here, his stick is still hitting the snare with the "pointy" end but he uses the rebound to make the other end hit the hi-hat. That is just one if his unique technique.


The infamous "two-pedals" solo.

He also likes to put two pedals one beside the other. He can then switch from one to the other: the first one controls the hi-hat, the second one controls a cowbell. He would use these two in a combined motion to further enhance his sound. Needless to say, he's very hard to follow. It's not by luck that he's Pat Metheny's main drummer since 2000: he has appeared on 8 albums, 3 of which were awarded a Grammy. If you have any idea who Pat Metheny is, then you know he's not only known for his musical skills, he's considered a musical genius. He experimented with pretty much every musical approach from Jazz to New Age with various incursions into World music and Latin Jazz.

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Guitarist Pat Metheny with drummer Antonio Sanchez and saxophonist Chris Potter.

I could go on and talk about this guy for hours. His impact on the way I listen to music is immense. From as long as I can remember, I was always a big fan of drums. One of my favorite band of all time is Canadian power trio Rush, a band known to rely on one of the best drummer in the world. I'm also a big fan of Tool and I used to like Primus before they changed their ways. All these band rely on powerful, technical drumming but none of them even come close to the drum mastery of Antonio Sanchez.

If you want to know more, I will include some links and a lot of videos. Feel free to browse among them: some are easy to listen, others are harder but much more rewarding in the end. Remember, this is an artistic jazz drummer: don't expect double-bass solos and stuff that will blow you away in 10 seconds. You must listen, watch, let it sound, listen again then re-watch to be fully able to appreciate the magnificent drumming skills of Antonio Sanchez!

http://www.antoniosanchez.net/news.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Sánchez_(drummer)


11 minutes drum solo back in 2003


7 minutes drum solo back in 2002


10 minutes drum solo, date and venue unknown.
 
Well, too many people took the first sentence literally...
 
Technical and "good" aren't synonymous.

And you don't have to be "technical" to be good.
 
Damn!
Drumbrah is a stud with them sticks.
 
Technical and "good" aren't synonymous.

And you don't have to be "technical" to be good.
You're opening a huge can of worms. What is "good"? In a nutshell, it's always a comparison stance: you can't be "good" if you're the only one doing a thing. When you compare people who are doing the same thing, it's easier to say "this one is good, this one is not". You could also say "this one is better but both are good". Like I said, a huge can of worms.

When it comes to drumming, I'm sorry but you HAVE to be technical to be good. There are too many people playing the drums for a sloppy guy to get in there and be "better" than technical drummers. Sure you can be a huge superstar and not be "good" compared to others. But you're always good at something.

Best example is Lars Ulrich. Nobody in his right mind would say "he's the best drummer of the world." Yet, he has much more stardom than Antonio Sanchez. He also has better "showmanship" than Sanchez: his look is more refined, his clothes are better and he can make the "devil sign" with his hands 50 times every show. Yet his technique is so lacking, you can't even compare him with other metal drummers, they are much too good for him!

What is different about Antonio Sanchez is his artistic approach. As I said, it is very rare for a drummer to be so artistically inclined. Sanchez composes his own music and he can play other instruments very well (he has a degree in classical piano).

In the last years, he's been working mainly on his own albums which are very hard to listen for anyone outside of the Jazz world. For example, he's preparing a 60-minutes piece called "The Meridian Suite” which pushes his compositional skills in a way that no other project has done before.

Maybe you don't have to be technical to be good but you need to be technical to be the best...
 
Also, I forgot to mention that Friday was the fifth annual International Jazz Day. For the occasion, President Obama has setup a huge pow-wow at the White House, featuring the most well known Jazz icons still alive.

I don't know if Antonio was there, the show is set to broadcast tomorrow. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised: most of the guys (and girls) on the list have played with Sanchez and his good buddy Pat Metheny was there.

We will see tomorrow if he was invited at the White House by President Obama. It should be broadcast on ABC Saturday. Here's the guestlist:

The All-Star Global Concert at the White House will feature stellar performances by Joey Alexander,Terence Blanchard, Kris Bowers, Dee Dee Bridgewater, Till Brönner, Terri Lyne Carrington, Chick Corea, Jamie Cullum, Kurt Elling, Aretha Franklin, Robert Glasper, Buddy Guy, Herbie Hancock,Zakir Hussain, Al Jarreau, Diana Krall, Lionel Loueke, Hugh Masekela, Christian McBride, John McLaughlin, Pat Metheny, Marcus Miller, James Morrison, Danilo Pérez, Rebirth Brass Band,Dianne Reeves, Lee Ritenour, David Sánchez, Wayne Shorter, Esperanza Spalding, Sting,Trombone Shorty, Chucho Valdés, Bobby Watson, Ben Williams and others, with further details to be announced shortly. John Beasley will serve as the evening’s Musical Director.

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This is the guy that left me (among many others) speechless. Only uses two limbs as well...Trilock Gurtu.

 
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This is the guy that left (among many others) speechless. Only uses two limbs as well...Trilock Gurtu.


More of a percussionist than a drummer but he does shine in this video. Without the legs, there are a lot of unavailable subtleties. It doesn't mean he's not great, he can drum circles around pop/rock drummers even without legs.
 
More of a percussionist than a drummer but he does shine in this video. Without the legs, there are a lot of unavailable subtleties. It doesn't mean he's not great, he can drum circles around pop/rock drummers even without legs.

Nah. Trilock does full drum beats in parts of his solo, he has a large drum that produces the bass drum sound. He quickly goes back and forth with his left hand, its amazing. Thus the Dave Weckl comment. Trilock also does play on a full kit at times as well. Trilock's Independence is legendary, even better then Dennis Chambers imo.
 
classical music trumps all, in all aspects of music, really. jazz is great, don't get me wrong. but the reason why i think it's inferior, is because it's improvised and lacks the structure of classical music. it's very improv, and a lot of people tune out because really only the players-themselves understand what is going on. like modern art, it makes it easy to bullshit something as being great, when it's really just a bunch of guys jamming, and hoping that something works.
 
That guy would be the goat hibachi chef.
 
classical music trumps all, in all aspects of music, really. jazz is great, don't get me wrong. but the reason why i think it's inferior, is because it's improvised and lacks the structure of classical music. it's very improv, and a lot of people tune out because really only the players-themselves understand what is going on. like modern art, it makes it easy to bullshit something as being great, when it's really just a bunch of guys jamming, and hoping that something works.
Irrelevant. This is a game where nobody ever wins: classical lovers will always fight for their style and jazz purist will always pity their classical colleagues. Here's my theory:

The two styles are opposed yet they aim at the same thing: flawless performance. The thing is, it's much easier to see the "perfection" in classical music because they are always playing the same thing. If they "miss" a note or make a mistake, everyone in the room will know because the piece is written in a way that you must follow.

Jazz has the same "perfection" goal but the context is totally different: they never play the same thing. Even the more seasoned musician is unable to predict what will happen in a given performance and sometimes, even musicians themselves don't know what's coming. The "standards" are written in a way that you can switch all the chords for more complex ones and you can choose to play "out" of the relative scale any time you want. The perfection relies in the understanding you have of a piece, to the point where you end up playing completely different but still following the general idea.

You can't do that in classical. Even grandmasters will make an entire career of following partitions to the letter. Sure the Chef can choose to raise the intensity or play more subtly but in the end, you're playing exactly what's written on the sheet. In fact, derivation from the norm is the KEY to understanding Jazz where blind following of the norm is the pillar that holds classical music.

In my opinion, both styles have their merit but only one gives the artist the freedom to express himself freely. Classical can be complex and subtle but the musicians are never free to let their feelings influence their playing: if they're sad and the chef says "play happily", you play happily and you shut up.

In Jazz, if you're sad on Monday you play the piece sadly and if you become happy on Tuesday, you can play the same piece happily on Tuesday.

Artistic freedom to the artists!
 
Anybody watching the ABC broadcast tonight? I don't have American TV and I can't be bothered to search for a stream.

I'm watching Badou Jack vs Lucian Bute anyways, I always root for my man Lucian!
 
The first time I saw Antonio was in 2002 on Metheny's Speaking of Now tour. Pat told the story of how he was at a jazz festival and he heard some amazing drummers on a distant stage. He walked over and to his surprise it was only one drummer. He thought it was like three guys playing.

I've seen him with Gary Burton as well and he's probably the most amazing drummer I've seen. Brian Blade is top notch as well but he has a completely different style.
 
The first time I saw Antonio was in 2002 on Metheny's Speaking of Now tour. Pat told the story of how he was at a jazz festival and he heard some amazing drummers on a distant stage. He walked over and to his surprise it was only one drummer. He thought it was like three guys playing.

I've seen him with Gary Burton as well and he's probably the most amazing drummer I've seen. Brian Blade is top notch as well but he has a completely different style.
Thank you for this story! I have seen Antonio play many times but I have never had the chance to watch him play live with Pat Metheny. They came to Montreal a couple of years ago but the tickets were sold out in a matter of minutes. Last time I say Pat Metheny live, the drummer was Billy Higgins.
 
So you saw that trio? Awesome. My first time seeing Metheny was the 2000 trio with Bill Stewart on drums and Larry Grenadier on bass. Stewart had an odd quirky style and was fun to watch. Having seen that and the bigger band thing I prefer Metheny's in that scaled down setting. Though he's been amazing all three times I've seen him.

Paul Wertico played around Chicago quite a bit. I've seen him with his own trio, behind Larry Coryell and in a cool project with him and harmonica great Howard Levy backing Ken Nordine's word jazz. But I never got to see Wertico with Metheny.
 
When it comes to drumming, I'm sorry but you HAVE to be technical to be good.

As a drummer, this sentence is fucking gospel.

You can get away with sloppy technique if you are a creative guitarist or bassist. Some of the most widely celebrated guitarists in history were sloppy as fuck, but it's cool, because they were playing shit we've never heard before.

A drummer? Fuck no. A sloppy drummer just sounds like shit.
 
anyone know the drummer's name?

 
As a drummer, this sentence is fucking gospel.

You can get away with sloppy technique if you are a creative guitarist or bassist. Some of the most widely celebrated guitarists in history were sloppy as fuck, but it's cool, because they were playing shit we've never heard before.

A drummer? Fuck no. A sloppy drummer just sounds like shit.
Musicians who play in bands are very aware of this but "casual" players and living room guitarists are not. You're absolutely right about guitar: most legends are sloppy guitar players with very low technical skills. Jimi is the best example: slopiest ever but also the most unique sound, for his time. On guitar, it's easier to be unique due to the nature of the instrument. On drums, you can be creative and free but you're still hitting skin with sticks.

I only have to disagree with your stance on bassists: their standards are not lower than drummers. You can only be sloppy in candy-pop bands, no serious rock band can stand a sloppy bassist...
 
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