The last insane hype train - how do people still believe Cyborg is nigh invincible?

[BigMuffler]

Shouldn't we all as MMA fans have learned with the fall of Conor, Ronda, Cain, Holly, Pettis etc. that no fighter is unbeatable? Not a single tested top fighter currently in the UFC has proven to be 'invincible' - even Jon Jones, Joanna Jedrzejczyk, and Khabib Nurmagomedov who are currently undefeated (except for Jones' DQ loss) have had very close calls. Yet people still often parrot claims such as that Cyborg would easily crush all of Ronda's opponents (including Holly and Miesha) along with Ronda herself as if it were fact - WTF? The people saying this often don't even analyze matchups, they just say Cyborg would be too 'strong' and 'brutal' for all of her potential opponents.

To add to that it's not even as if Cyborg has a good resume, she has only fought ONE opponent in her whole career proven on the level of a top 5 BW - Marloes Coenen - yet even Coenen was only proven to be on par with the top 5 of 5 years ago and it's unknown how she would stack up against the top 5 of today. But yet Cyborg is untouchable to the modern top 5?

...did I miss something and a Wand-like aggressive style is an auto-win button in modern MMA?

For those who subscribe to the 'eye test' theory (gosh how I hate that term when applied to unproven can crushers), are there any male fighters you assume to be the clear best because they look good against lesser competition before fighting any (modern) top fighters?

Even Cyborg's assumed 'vast' strength advantage is unproven against modern top 5 level opponents as her best opponent Coenen is known to not be especially strong and was also being clearly overpowered by Liz Carmouche. Didn't people say the same thing about Holly against Miesha, that her strength would make her impossible to move by Cupcake... and now we're still saying the same thing about Cyborg? I guess MMA fans never, ever learn.

You know if Cyborg herself was so confident in her invincibility, maybe she would have fought or asked to fight Julia Budd, the clear most imposing possible challenger for her at 145, during their years together in Invicta.

Are people just looking for a godlike superhero to worship? It's weird that superhero would be a non-top competition fighting Cyborg, though...

 

[Hans Gruber]

Shouldn't we all as MMA fans have learned with the fall of Conor, Ronda, Cain, Holly, Pettis etc. that no fighter is unbeatable? Not a single tested top fighter currently in the UFC has proven to be 'invincible' - even Jon Jones, Joanna Jedrzejczyk, and Khabib Nurmagomedov who are currently undefeated (except for Jones' DQ loss) have had very close calls. Yet people still often parrot claims such as that Cyborg would easily crush all of Ronda's opponents (including Holly and Miesha) along with Ronda herself as if it were fact - WTF? The people saying this often don't even analyze matchups, they just say Cyborg would be too 'strong' and 'brutal' for all of her potential opponents.

To add to that it's not even as if Cyborg has a good resume, she has only fought ONE opponent in her whole career proven on the level of a top 5 BW - Marloes Coenen - yet even Coenen was only proven to be on par with the top 5 of 5 years ago and it's unknown how she would stack up against the top 5 of today. But yet Cyborg is untouchable to the modern top 5?

...did I miss something and a Wand-like aggressive style is an auto-win button in modern MMA?

For those who subscribe to the 'eye test' theory (gosh how I hate that term when applied to unproven can crushers), are there any male fighters you assume to be the clear best because they look good against lesser competition before fighting any (modern) top fighters?

Even Cyborg's assumed 'vast' strength advantage is unproven against modern top 5 level opponents as her best opponent Coenen is known to not be especially strong and was also being clearly overpowered by Liz Carmouche. Didn't people say the same thing about Holly against Miesha, that her strength would make her impossible to move by Cupcake... and now we're still saying the same thing about Cyborg? I guess MMA fans never, ever learn.

You know if Cyborg herself was so confident in her invincibility, maybe she would have fought or asked to fight Julia Budd, the clear most imposing possible challenger for her at 145, during their years together in Invicta.

No one thinks that she is invincible. They just think that she would likely crush Rousey.

Why so much anger towards Cyborg? It isn't her fault that Rousey made claims that she could beat a 245 pound Cain yet she won't fight Cybrog over 5 measly pounds

 

[MatRat75]

there was a hype train due to Ronda turning her down, joe rogans dick comment and most of all people hearing her name and not seeing her fight once.

 

[BigMuffler]

No one thinks that she is invincible. They just think that she would likely crush Rousey.

There are people who say she would crush all of Rousey's opponents along with Rousey. That's practically invincible against the current field of competition.

 

[Bilbo Gaggins]

 

[Hans Gruber]

There are people who say she would crush all of Rousey's opponents along with Rousey. That's practically invincible against the current field of competition.

You are just nitpicking. They left out one word that they should have included in their statement. "Likely" She would "likely" crush them.

Nothing is certain in MMA. Even a fight that I thought was as close to a lock as you could get went the other way. (Anderson vs Bisping)

 

[EGarrett]

The Ronda Fandom is starting to turn itself into Gordian knots of passive-aggressive threadmaking.

 

[BigMuffler]

You are just nitpicking. They left out one word that they should have included in their statement. "Likely" She would "likely" crush them.

That is still based on ridiculously flimsy evidence to say that she would 'likely' CRUSH them when she is as unproven as she is. No one would say that about a male fighter with that thin a resume which is why it is an insane hype train.

 

[Hans Gruber]

there was a hype train due to Ronda turning her down, joe rogans dick comment and most of all people hearing her name and not seeing her fight once.

People are missing out. She is a blast to watch fight (same as Rousey) The first fight I saw her in was in Elite XC against Baszler. She reminded me of a female version of Wanderlei with her aggression

 

[BigMuffler]

The Ronda Fandom is starting to turn itself into Gordian knots of passive-aggressive threadmaking.

And the Cyborg 'fandom' consisting of Ronda haters has always been absurdly gullible.

 

[MarleyLynx]

Shouldn't we all as MMA fans have learned with the fall of Conor, Ronda, Cain, Holly, Pettis etc. that no fighter is unbeatable? Not a single tested top fighter currently in the UFC has proven to be 'invincible' - even Jon Jones, Joanna Jedrzejczyk, and Khabib Nurmagomedov who are currently undefeated (except for Jones' DQ loss) have had very close calls. Yet people still often parrot claims such as that Cyborg would easily crush all of Ronda's opponents (including Holly and Miesha) along with Ronda herself as if it were fact - WTF? The people saying this often don't even analyze matchups, they just say Cyborg would be too 'strong' and 'brutal' for all of her potential opponents.

To add to that it's not even as if Cyborg has a good resume, she has only fought ONE opponent in her whole career proven on the level of a top 5 BW - Marloes Coenen - yet even Coenen was only proven to be on par with the top 5 of 5 years ago and it's unknown how she would stack up against the top 5 of today. But yet Cyborg is untouchable to the modern top 5?

...did I miss something and a Wand-like aggressive style is an auto-win button in modern MMA?

For those who subscribe to the 'eye test' theory (gosh how I hate that term when applied to unproven can crushers), are there any male fighters you assume to be the clear best because they look good against lesser competition before fighting any (modern) top fighters?

Even Cyborg's assumed 'vast' strength advantage is unproven against modern top 5 level opponents as her best opponent Coenen is known to not be especially strong and was also being clearly overpowered by Liz Carmouche. Didn't people say the same thing about Holly against Miesha, that her strength would make her impossible to move by Cupcake... and now we're still saying the same thing about Cyborg? I guess MMA fans never, ever learn.

You know if Cyborg herself was so confident in her invincibility, maybe she would have fought or asked to fight Julia Budd, the clear most imposing possible challenger for her at 145, during their years together in Invicta.

Are people just looking for a godlike superhero to worship? It's weird that superhero would be a non-top competition fighting Cyborg, though...

Ermagerd Logic

 

[Hans Gruber]

That is still based on ridiculously flimsy evidence to say that she would 'likely' CRUSH them when she is as unproven as she is. No one would say that about a male fighter with that thin a resume which is why it is an insane hype train.

Calm down Big Muff.

No female MMA fighter has that great of a resume because the talent level is thin. Beating Baszler (at the time that she beat her) Carano, and Coenen twice, is about as well as you can do at 145.

 

[Hans Gruber]

And the Cyborg 'fandom' consisting of Ronda haters has always been absurdly gullible.

I was a fan of Cyborg before Rhonda was even on the scene. Nice imagination though

 

[BigMuffler]

Beating Baszler (at the time that she beat her) Carano, and Coenen twice, is about as well as you can do at 145.

That's true but then it doesn't justify all the hyperbolic claims where people act like it's ridiculous to even suggest one of the top 5 BWs could beat her.

 

[CrimsonFan]

All the fighters you named lost this year..

You should have known that nobody is invincible a long time ago... what are you 12?

 

[BigMuffler]

I was a fan of Cyborg before Rhonda was even on the scene. Nice imagination though

Well not every Cyborg fan, I know there are a few real ones like Felis but many of the Cyborg supporters seem to just be Ronda/WBW haters.

 

[EGarrett]

And the Cyborg 'fandom' consisting of Ronda haters has always been absurdly gullible.

Which hasn't even been a subject for months. BTW, were those of us who were posting about Ronda being overrated and having terrible stand-up gullible?

 

[cumafish]

I was watching Cyborg fight before RR even was on the SF roster, do I think she's invincible...Hell No.
No fighter is invincible, plain and simple.

 

[mmaknight]

She's got those hands. She hits like a truck. And she's been successful up to this point. Sure she hasn't tried out the talent the UFC is providing but that doesn't mean she can't wipe the floor with the entire 135lb division.

I don't think she's invincible but I do believe she would hurt Rousey, and likely send her into retirement. As for Tate and Holms, those two might prove to be solid challenges.

That being said, you've got some points but right now that's all theory, as well as my opinion.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Yeah I think cyborg runs threw everybody in MMA