The Kadashev scale

[IloveTHIS]

I think within 100 years, our species will be a T2 species. If warring with ourselves doesn't prevent that of course.

"Type II
An interstellar civilization, capable of harnessing the total energy output of a star.

This is the next stage in the evolution of a civilization, and presumes a level of technological development that allows for gigantic constructions and utmost efficiency. Dyson structures come to mind here, which are gigantic constructs meant to harness the energy of stars. "


This might seem unlikely now, I know. But this all hinges on just one breakthrough..AI. Artificial Intelligence is making strides every day. Computing power is getting absolutely ridiculous. Quantum computing will give a well developed AI the ability to learn at unfathomable rate and program its self, to make it even better. Imagine 100 years of progress....100 years is 20 lifetimes in the tech field.

Soon our first REAL, genuine AI will go online, instantly re-make its self better than we could ever dream, and it will be as if we created God. It will solve all our current issues. It will develop perfect robots to send off into space for mining, replicating, and building our first Dyson Sphere.


Before any of you laugh, keep this in mind. If you went back 100 years in time and showed people my Note8 cellphone, they would probably burn you alive thinking you were some kind of black magic demon. They wouldnt even be able to comprehend the "internet" and the only way you could have such a powerful "thing" would be evil magic. Better yet imagine showing them a video game or HD video on a powerful laptop? They would believe you trapped real living humans inside a tiny box.

 

[Judge]

Who gives a fuck? We will have long been worm food by then.

 

[IloveTHIS]

Who gives a fuck? We will have long been worm food by then.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Humanity hadn’t even reached Type II in Star Trek for fuck’s sake. We’re not getting there in 100 years.

 

[FierceRedBelt]

Homie we aint ever getting there.

Something that we create might though. Wait for see.

 

[IloveTHIS]

Humanity hadn’t even reached Type II in Star Trek for fuck’s sake. We’re not getting there in 100 years.

I dont think you have a clear perspective of how things are moving along. We reached the tipping point. thousands and thousands of years all we had as far as tech was rock spearheads and MAYBE a wooden wheel.

Then things finally tipped. Now just a few hundred years later, look at what we have and what we can do.... more technology at hand makes it exponentially easier to create even MORE tech and breakthroughs. We are being hurled towards a singularity.

Again, keep things in perspective. For thousands and thousands of years we had nothing. Now within a short timeframe, we are putting people on the moon with plans of getting people to mars(the only limiting factor being $$ to fund it.) A cellphone would be inconceivable, impossible to even comprehend for someone 100 years ago. With that in mind, how unlikely do you REALLY think it is that we get the kinks worked out with AI soon? and do you understand how powerful a genuine AI would be? One that can link to the internet and learn thousands of subjects at a time and implement that knowledge in hundreds of ways?

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

I dont think you have a clear perspective of how things are moving along. We reached the tipping point. thousands and thousands of years all we had as far as tech was rock spearheads and MAYBE a wooden wheel.

Then things finally tipped. Now just a few hundred years later, look at what we have and what we can do.... more technology at hand makes it exponentially easier to create even MORE tech and breakthroughs. We are being hurled towards a singularity.

Advances in AI are not going to change the laws of physics. Building a dyson’s sphere would take thousands of years.

 

[fallable]

I think it's difficult to predict how society will develop.

Peter Thiel often makes the point we were promised flying cars and all we got is 140 characters and that the way the situation is now, the world of atoms is regulated and the world of bits is unregulated, which can draw capital to the world of bits.

I think stratification and accessibility are things to consider. Up to this point a lot of technology has been made available and is accessible to a large number of people. As we move into an era of automation, robotics, the possibility of AI etc., how will those things be made available to society at large? Will average people have access to AI or will governments and tech companies maintain control? Will average people have the capitol to establish their own automated systems, or will production be consolidated in fewer and fewer hands.

I see 3-D printing as being a possible game changer in terms of average people establishing control over the production of the items they need and want, so it will be interesting to see how that industry progresses.

There is certainly a lot to be optimistic about, but also a lot of uncertainty.

 

[IloveTHIS]

Advances in AI are not going to change the laws of physics. Building a dyson’s sphere would take thousands of years.

it might not change the laws of physics but it might find a way to "bend" them in our favor. I'm not smart enough to provide more insight than that but there are theories out there about getting around the hurdle of distance/time in space travel.

My ID is that the AI would design self replicating probes that are sent off in every direction, to mine moons/asteroids/planets, replicate, and then head to the sun to build+install with the resources they mine. With the self replicating nature, you start with a few and in 10-20 years you have 20,000. Then a few years later 100,000 all working on the dyson sphere.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

It should be noted that were not even a Type I civilization yet, so Type II in a century is absurd.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

Elon Musk save us all!

 

[Kanuck99]

Probably a better chance of getting nuked back into the stone age.

 

[Zer]

If you went back 100 years in time and showed people my Note8 cellphone, they would probably burn you alive thinking you were some kind of black magic demon.

Shit bro, you'd get burned alive for having a Note8 today if you were in Detroit or some shit. They probably wouldn't think you're a black magic demon and just a beta whiteboy. Plus it'd be more because a Note8 is probably worth like $500 on the streets. But point is civilization hasn't advanced that much in terms of nature

 

[Henry Swanson]

100 years from now we will still be waiting for that next Game of Thrones book. Amirite?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

you guys are incredibly naive as to where we are at concerning the AI power.
we barely have smart washing machines. christ almighty.
we might not get to kardashev 1 in 200 years.
k2? jesus h. maybe in millennia. maybe.

just cause you got an iphone every year it don't meant shit.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

We'll definitely be out there eventually. Light sails will be a start, perhaps.
Certainly at the least we'll have mining operations in the asteroids.

I think humanity will end up with planet bound people and space faring folk.

 

[ralphc1]

I think within 100 years, our species will be a T2 species. If warring with ourselves doesn't prevent that of course.

"Type II
An interstellar civilization, capable of harnessing the total energy output of a star.

This is the next stage in the evolution of a civilization, and presumes a level of technological development that allows for gigantic constructions and utmost efficiency. Dyson structures come to mind here, which are gigantic constructs meant to harness the energy of stars. "


This might seem unlikely now, I know. But this all hinges on just one breakthrough..AI. Artificial Intelligence is making strides every day. Computing power is getting absolutely ridiculous. Quantum computing will give a well developed AI the ability to learn at unfathomable rate and program its self, to make it even better. Imagine 100 years of progress....100 years is 20 lifetimes in the tech field.

Soon our first REAL, genuine AI will go online, instantly re-make its self better than we could ever dream, and it will be as if we created God. It will solve all our current issues. It will develop perfect robots to send off into space for mining, replicating, and building our first Dyson Sphere.


Before any of you laugh, keep this in mind. If you went back 100 years in time and showed people my Note8 cellphone, they would probably burn you alive thinking you were some kind of black magic demon. They wouldnt even be able to comprehend the "internet" and the only way you could have such a powerful "thing" would be evil magic. Better yet imagine showing them a video game or HD video on a powerful laptop? They would believe you trapped real living humans inside a tiny box.

!00 years ago your cellphone wouldn't work. No electricity to power it. No system to support it. About all you could use it for would be as a camera. Electricity was in use but not widespread. The telephone was invented in 1849 and it took almost 170 years to get to this point. We can't really do anything humans weren't doing 100 years ago. We've just found faster ways to do them.

Humans sent the first craft into space 61 years ago and how far have we gotten? After the moon landings, it was thought we would have an operating space station and travel to Mars by the 1980s. We have a half assed space station that we can barely supply. We can barely control energy on Earth.

Whether Dyson spheres are even possible is debatable. The materials needed would require dismantling all of the inner planets. The gas giants wouldn't have much if any usable materials. If quantum computers ever become viable, they won't be able to change the laws of physics.

As I see it, humans are thousands if not millions of years away from a type 2 civilization if such a thing is even possible.

 

[ralphc1]

Let's face it, humans are stuck at the Kardashian level.

 

[Roxxo]

100 years from now we will still be waiting for that next Game of Thrones book. Amirite?

Nah, Brandon Sanderson will have finished it by then.