The inherent uselessness of 10-8 rounds.

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  1. Flemmy Stardust

    Flemmy Stardust King of Lea

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    Given the new rules/language adopted by the ABC, i ask: Would you really want more 10-8 rounds given in MMA? If yes, why?

    Without language that prefers a single 10-8 round to two 10-9 rounds (or the other way around), it will certainly result in more fights ending in draws. We already know this...

    But the reality is that this is the only mathematical possibility the 10-8 leads to, with one, very specific exception:

    In a title fight, two 10-8 rounds for fighter A will beat out three 10-9 rounds for fighter B.

    In every other possible example, the 10-8 will either play into a draw, or not play at all.

    So is that one, very specific title fight example crucial enough to warrant an overall increase in draws? I say no.

    It would make more sense - to me at least - to do away with 10-8s entirely, and use 10-7s in its place.
     
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    chunglii No Me Duele Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    It's not about giving more or less 10-8s. The change is about clarifying what constitutes a 10-8. The 10-8s given should be deserved. Do you think the new language will result in more 10-8s?
     
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  3. Flemmy Stardust

    Flemmy Stardust King of Lea

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    Didn't it distinctly state "more liberal use of"?

    Either way, the clarifying of the language is still superfluous when the idea itself results in undesirable outcomes.
     
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    Finish fights.
     
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  5. Flemmy Stardust

    Flemmy Stardust King of Lea

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    Forgive me, "more liberal definition..."

    Shit.
     
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    Magx951 Banned Banned

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    there are lots of 10-8 rounds that aren't scored, period.

    More elaboration for the shitty judges can only be a good thing.
     
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    My wife laughs when they read out points in decisions and rounds. "Yeah that seemed like he got about 9 points there, sure."

    ASIAN SCORING FTW
     
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  9. Thunderchild

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    Why keep the 10 point-must at all? Its a relic from boxing which has far more rounds so it works, but is ill suited for MMA.
     
  10. I'm cool with more draws. Sometimes it makes the most sense.
     
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    This is the exact wording in the new rules specifically regarding 10-8 rounds. The only difference is, replace the word "damage" with "impact" (an change proposed by the NJSACB which was accepted).

    Nothing about "more liberal use of" or a "more liberal definition" in the rules. The author of the mmafighting.com article describes the rules as "The definition of a 10-8 round is also more liberal with the changes, asking judges to look at dominance, duration and impact (or damage). If a round has two of those characteristics, a 10-8 should be considered. If a round has all three of those characteristics, it must be a 10-8 round."
     
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    Melas Chasma Red Belt

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    Giving more 10-8 and 10-7 would create more controversy. The more complex you create the judging the more scenarios for controversy it creates. Its simple math.
     
  13. Flemmy Stardust

    Flemmy Stardust King of Lea

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    Agree, but working within a 10 point-must, and there being so few rounds, the 10-8 is a bane on it.
     
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    10-7s?

    You actually bring up a good point. Ordinarily you're getting a Dom Cruz didn't read gif.

    I like this idea. It would work perfectly IMO.

    I never even considered this idea in the past.

    You might get some flack from other posters here TS...but you sold me
     
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    Judges can't even give 10-9 rounds to the correct fighter. These changes will either be dead letter or there'll be chaos.
    Rules are useless if those who have to implement them are not capable of it.
     
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    They should do away with round by round scoring for MMA and judge fights as a whole anyway. But they won't do it. The commissions will continue to use a scoring system designed for a completely different sport, boxing.
     
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    IMO its actually a lot clearer when a 10-8 is then a 10-9 could necessarily be

    just because of how close a 10-9 can really be. A 10-8 is a pretty clear win. That's kind of the point of a 10-8.
     
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    Scoring fights "as a whole" can lead to just as bad if not worse decisions and corruption, in my opinion

    PRIDE had a lot of shady / bad decisions too.
     
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    Yeah, that's how it works with three rounds. Personally I find nothing wrong with potential increase of draws, though. If it's a draw, it's a draw. Move on.

    *goes to watch yet another exciting 0-0 football match*
     
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  20. Thunderchild

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    Agree, I see your logic about it causing more draws. It just sucks because as it stands there are no degrees of separation between 10-9 rounds when someone is slightly better than their opponent, and 10-9 rounds where someone clearly won.
     
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