The Inevitable Ongoing Conflict with Islamic Fundamentalism

[Zeke's Chaingun]

It irks me to no end when I hear people say that Al Qaeda, ISIS, and other fundamentalist Islamic groups would leave the West alone if only we'd not pursue interests in the Middle East. This is not true and displays a dangerous level of ignorance towards the nature of the people we are dealing with.

These fundamentalists have been attacking US interests for centuries, even as far back as the founding of our country. The Founding Fathers themselves had their share of this brutal fundamentalist interpretation of the religion during the Tripolitan War of 1801-1805; Jefferson and Adams reported to the Continental Congress that the Tripolitan Ambassador's justification for Muslim piracy against American ships and the enslavement of American citizens was:

"...that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have their authority were sinners, and that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

This was long before the US had any interest in the Middle East and we held no policy then that would be responsible for blowback. This attack on US property and US citizens was provoked only by the fact that they were considered infidels. That was justification enough for their attacks.

The nature of fundamentalist Islam is grounded in totalitarianism. There can be no compromise, there cannot be independence, and all does indeed belong to Allah within this direct interpetation. Those who believe that we will be safe by ignoring this threat (ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc) could not be more wrong, and as technology increases our cultures are clashing more and more. It is inevitable that conflict will be upon us (and is upon us) and people should recognize this and cease blaming ourselves for it.

I do not know the best path to deal with this threat and I am not here to offer one. What I am doing is challenging this notion that the fault is not with those who propagate this violence but with those who would resist it. I challenge the notion that ignoring the threat will remove it.

I will acknowledge that the US and the West have not always had the best approach to the Middle East nor will I deny atrocious acts that have taken place. What I will not do is accept responsibility for the nature of this threat nor will I accept that the West is any where near the level of evil that we see among Islamic Fundamentalism.

I will acknowledge the difference between Islamic Fundamentalists and other Muslims. There are many Muslims who do not follow this strict fundamentalist interpretation of the Koran. There are many who do not believe as the Fundamentalists do and aren't out there pushing the same agenda. Just as there are many Christians who are not out there stoning to death a bride on her fathers doorstep for not being a virgin on her wedding day. Those who do not defer to this fundamentalist interpretation are not the focus of this post. Those that can peacefully co-exist in a secular culture are not the problem.

 

[Armbars]

I just want to know that the people living in my neighbourhood, my families neighbourhood and my friends neighbourhood share or at the very least have a similar views and social values. If you hate the west, hate Britain and love Islam fuck off to the shithole you love.

 

[IDL]

I think if the West wasn't completely enamored with Zionism and war profiteering there would be much less conflict over there.

I wouldn't put blame on 'the west' though so much as the small minority of people at the top of the power structure who are implementing their long term strategic objectives and use the military, CIA, and economic dominance to do it.

 

[malkinX]

It's been going on since the Middle Ages. The west evolved and forgot about it because they had bigger things to worry about. The middle east is still stuck back there.

 

[IDL]

It's been going on since the Middle Ages. The west evolved and forgot about it because they had bigger things to worry about. The middle east is still stuck back there.

I think it would be nice to leave them be. I'm sure they would want to be left alone as well.

The recipe of beating on the bees nest, and then mass migrating them into Europe is a fantastic way to bring about conflict.

 

[malkinX]

I think it would be nice to leave them be. I'm sure they would want to be left alone as well.

The recipe of beating on the bees nest, and then mass migrating them into Europe is a fantastic way to bring about conflict.

We can't leave them be anymore, they are threatening to destroy the west. The region needs stability and two things stand in the way, extremists and Israel

 

[FishinWithFredo]

I wouldn't put blame on 'the west' though so much as the small minority of people at the top of the power structure who are implementing their long term strategic objectives and use the military, CIA, and economic dominance to do it.

Such as?

 

[Scrody]

Sooner or later the West is going to take the little kid gloves off. I'm just glad I'm on the right side.

 

[europe1]

It irks me to no end when I hear people say that Al Qaeda, ISIS, and other fundamentalist Islamic groups would leave the West alone if only we'd not pursue interests in the Middle East.
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So how do you fight fundementalism without creating more fundementalists?

That's the question people should be asking themsleves.

 

[IDL]

We can't leave them be anymore, they are threatening to destroy the west. The region needs stability and two things stand in the way, extremists and Israel

ok so some of the bees are buzzing now and looking to sting someone.

Their fellow Muslims are really the ones on the receiving end of the stingers so far.

So you'd have to analyze their capabilities and try to see what they can really do to the West.

You can bet the CIA are all over them. They were the ones that created Al Qaeda, so you can bet they understand them inside and out.

 

[IDL]

Such as?

Do you mean objectives?

Some of them are securing resources, establishing bases to protect interests, and trying to change the politics in the area to be more friendly to business interests.

Longer term interests may or may not include taking over control of their governments entirely.

 

[FishinWithFredo]

Do you mean objectives?

Some of them are securing resources, establishing bases to protect interests, and trying to change the politics in the area to be more friendly to business interests.

No I'm curious who is the small minority of people at the top of the power structure

 

[IDL]

No I'm curious who is the small minority of people at the top of the power structure

Oh, well the real power lies in controlling the central banks, oil companies, military industrial complex, and things like that. The top industrialists I suppose you could say, or oligarchy. The private interests that tell Western politicians what to do.

They have no problem spending the lives and taxes of the common people to further their power and profits. The common people then get to deal with more conflict.

 

[Bay Area]

No I'm curious who is the small minority of people at the top of the power structure

 

[malkinX]

ok so some of the bees are buzzing now and looking to sting someone.

Their fellow Muslims are really the ones on the receiving end of the stingers so far.

So you'd have to analyze their capabilities and try to see what they can really do to the West.

You can bet the CIA are all over them. They were the ones that created Al Qaeda, so you can bet they understand them inside and out.

so they know what they're doing, but you think they're making the wrong decision? Regardless, 2 Americans were murdered, that is not ok. Isis considers themselves a nation if any nation orders the execution of an American citizen it is an act of war it always has been. They don't want our help, fine. But we're coming to kick their a$$ for murdering Americans. If they don't want our help let's just beat them down then leave.

 

[MusterX]

so they know what they're doing, but you think they're making the wrong decision? Regardless, 2 Americans were murdered, that is not ok. Isis considers themselves a nation if any nation orders the execution of an American citizen it is an act of war it always has been. They don't want our help, fine. But we're coming to kick their a$$ for murdering Americans. If they don't want our help let's just beat them down then leave.

We've been killing in the middle east for the last decade, how is that working out so far?

 

[Bay Area]

fine. But we're coming to kick their a$$ for murdering Americans. If they don't want our help let's just beat them down then leave.

Slow down there cowboy.

 

[IDL]

so they know what they're doing, but you think they're making the wrong decision? Regardless, 2 Americans were murdered, that is not ok. Isis considers themselves a nation if any nation orders the execution of an American citizen it is an act of war it always has been. They don't want our help, fine. But we're coming to kick their a$$ for murdering Americans. If they don't want our help let's just beat them down then leave.

I don't know about right or wrong decisions since that depends on objectives and perspective.

ok so two Americans were murdered and broadcast to the American people. This is deliberate propaganda put out by ISIS to garner the emotional reaction of the common people.

The oligarchy that controls the US government couldn't care less about two people in the grand scheme of things, but yes it does cause a reaction in public opinion.

Clearly this is the reaction that ISIS wants, and the people pulling Obama's strings will cash in on the political capital if they see fit. From their perspective, it's all strategy. They are not baited by the emotional murders of two Americans.

 

[FishinWithFredo]

Oh, well the real power lies in controlling the central banks, oil companies, military industrial complex, and things like that. The top industrialists I suppose you could say, or oligarchy. The private interests that tell Western politicians what to do.

They have no problem spending the lives and taxes of the common people to further their power and profits. The common people then get to deal with more conflict.

Anyway you can get more specific? For example, would the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council be included in your definition?

 

[ColonelAngus1]

Ohhhhh... They just want to take over everything, so that's why all of these Islamic fundamentalist terrorists keep attacking not only us but countries like Belize and Nicaragua and Slovenia and Vietnam and other countries that stay out of their region/business. Got it! Thanks for clarifying.