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[Deleted member 592570]

Making my point for me.

You should read a book once in a while.

I just finished The Big Book of Ukranian Nazis last night. Good read.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

The debt is accounting obligations we've made to ourselves, it's not like someone is waiting outside our home to break our kneecaps, it's not quite the same thing.

You are making excuses for not only your ridiculous spending habits but also the initial argument. Why your health care system stinks when compared to other 1st world nations. You dance around it like a seasoned politician would.

 

[Rational Poster]

You are making excuses for not only your ridiculous spending habits but also the initial argument. Why your health care system stinks when compared to other 1st world nations. You dance around it like a seasoned politician would.

I mean, every first world country has similar levels of debt if that's the direction you want to go. Even those with "better" health care systems. In reality, the US system is better in some areas, and worse in others.

France and UK, both with free health care for all their citizens, have a similar debt to gdp ratio as the United States. There isn't a single first world country that isn't in debt, they're all in the 50-100% debt to gdp range.

I think you have an issue with understanding the scale of the US economy.

Is it hard to believe that people with more money will spend more money on healthcare?

 

[Lycandroid]

I love these "taxes are theft" types for the sole reason that you represent some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

Get this: you are free at any time to stop paying taxes and move to a deserted island where you can forage for your own food, grade your own roads, and shit over a hole in the ground. Nobody is stopping you guy.

Where ? Send location. If I tried to live off the grid anywhere around me I would get shut down immediately.... unless of course i did it in the city center while high on crack

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Eh, sin tax is more about trying to de-entice the populace to a "negative" behavior. It's not about funding the recovery to that problem.

Not in Canada. They sold the tax on alcohol and cigarettes here specifically that it's to help cover the costs of illnsse caused by those behaviors.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Not in Canada. They sold the tax on alcohol and cigarettes here specifically that it's to help cover the costs of illnsse caused by those behaviors.

Oh I didn't know that. Thanks for informing me

 

[Cid]

It actually went up since 2023 by nearly 6%. Also they still spend more then all the next 9 countries combined. Let that sink in.

They have enough nukes to blow the world up a thousand times over. What is the need to be spending that much?

They don't spend more than the next 9 countries combined.

China has an internal military to keep the public in line because they are an autocratic dictatorship. Actual military spending of both armies is estimated in the 450-700billion range.

Russia has a shadow financing system for it's war that is estimated to match the official Russian military budget. So you can double the official number.


All of this is irrelevant though. Budgets are proportional. Not how much you spend but what % you spend.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I think this is something misunderstood by a lot of people. Americans aren't overpaying on this stuff. We spend more on healthcare and military because we can not because we're somehow less efficient than everyone else.

we spend more on it because it costs more. we are absolutely overpaying. it's not even a debate. the prices of pharmaceuticals and medical care in the US are OUTRAGEOUS compared to other highly developed countries.

 

[Rational Poster]

we spend more on it because it costs more. we are absolutely overpaying. it's not even a debate. the prices of pharmaceuticals and medical care in the US are OUTRAGEOUS compared to other highly developed countries.

I mean, even accounting for that we still just spend more than others on both things because we're exponentially more wealthy than other countries. It's not 1 to 1, is all I'm saying.

 

[curryjunkie]

I mean, even accounting for that we still just spend more than others on both things because we're exponentially more wealthy than other countries. It's not 1 to 1, is all I'm saying.

Per capita you spend over 13 grand each person, swiss and Germans spend around 9 and 8 grand respectively, France 7 and UK 6..USA spends over 17% of gdp on healthcare, Taiwan, considered among the best in the world, spends 7% of gdp

 

[Rational Poster]

Per capita you spend over 13 grand each person, swiss and Germans spend around 9 and 8 grand respectively, France 7 and UK 6..USA spends over 17% of gdp on healthcare, Taiwan, considered among the best in the world, spends 7% of gdp

And every single one of those countries can maintain their level of spending because of the US economic presence. They don't exist in a vacuum. They all receive direct and indirect economic support from the United States, not to mention direct and indirect support for their military. They're all invested in the US economy, and especially in the medical, pharmaceutical, and military industries. Should Americans pay less for certain procedures and medicines, of course, but that's not the totality of US spending on healthcare. It's just not that simple.

 

[jimmas99]

If it were only for legal citizens of the US? Or is this scenario just a free for all?

This really exposes the deeper issue I have with certain conservative arguments around healthcare:

"I don’t want a cheaper, more efficient, and logically better system, if it means someone I’ve decided is 'undeserving' might benefit from it."

It’s not about what’s best for society. It’s about punishing the idea that someone somewhere could get something they didn’t "earn" by a specific standard,even if the rest of us would end up healthier, safer, and financially better off.

That mindset values resentment over results.

 

[curryjunkie]

And every single one of those countries can maintain their level of spending because of the US economic presence. They don't exist in a vacuum. They all receive direct and indirect economic support from the United States, not to mention direct and indirect support for their military. They're all invested in the US economy, and especially in the medical, pharmaceutical, and military industries. Should Americans pay less for certain procedures and medicines, of course, but that's not the totality of US spending on healthcare. It's just not that simple.

The US is a net importer, they also don't exist in a vacuum.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

They don't spend more than the next 9 countries combined.

China has an internal military to keep the public in line because they are an autocratic dictatorship. Actual military spending of both armies is estimated in the 450-700billion range.

Russia has a shadow financing system for it's war that is estimated to match the official Russian military budget. So you can double the official number.


All of this is irrelevant though. Budgets are proportional. Not how much you spend but what % you spend.

Elect this guy in. He seems to have the inside scoop on everything. Amazing.

 

[IanEdwards]

And every single one of those countries can maintain their level of spending because of the US economic presence. They don't exist in a vacuum. They all receive direct and indirect economic support from the United States

what 'direct economic support' do France and Britain receive from the US?

 

[IanEdwards]

Is it hard to believe that people with more money will spend more money on healthcare?

hard to believe you think you have a place in the conversation when your views are this retarded and you don't get simple concepts like per capita spending being higher. and lol, that this has nothing to do with inefficiency when you have a massive fucking health insurance industry making fucking billions, but sure, that's nothing to do with why US healthcare costs are high. fuck me, you choose this hill to die on? I didn't have you down as one of those pro- freemarket NPC drones but this is pitiful stuff

 

[Rational Poster]

The US is a net importer, they also don't exist in a vacuum.

I mean this just reinforces my point, those systems are funded in part by US trade and investment into the US market. We buy goods, they get money, they use the money we trade them for healthcare.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Damn. Hope funky is okay. What the hell happened to require a double lung transplant?

 

[Rational Poster]

hard to believe you think you have a place in the conversation when your views are this retarded and you don't get simple concepts like per capita spending being higher. and lol, that this has nothing to do with inefficiency when you have a massive fucking health insurance industry making fucking billions, but sure, that's nothing to do with why US healthcare costs are high. fuck me, you choose this hill to die on? I didn't have you down as one of those pro- freemarket NPC drones but this is pitiful stuff

Not sure what makes you think I don't understand what per capita means, my only point is that while we do spend more, everyone benefits from the spending including people in other countries. We may spend somewhere around 10-15% per capita on healthcare, but the total healthcare market in the US is about 20% of the annual GDP, trillions of dollars are made in return. I think most people don't seem to understand how big the jenga piece is and how difficult significant changes will be for the world. It's not that I'm against improvements to the US system, I understand the difficulty of the problem and how it would impact everyone in the country and that we trade with.

As your other question, the US, UK, and France have the largest multilateral investment and stock trading partnership on Earth, amounting to trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs annually. That's not even getting into all the security slack the US picks up and has picked up for those two countries which is more indirect savings. Especially in regards to the UK, who's military and navy have severely deteriorated over the recent decades to the point that I believe they currently have more admirals than functioning modern warships. 45% of UK's pension funding comes from investing in the US stock market.

 

[IanEdwards]

'we spend more on healthcare because we can' ranks as one of the all-time retarded takes in the WR, its Whippy Mcgee level retarded