The evolution of submission defence in Modern MMA

[Strijfy]

Thinly veiled shitting on Fedor thread.
Nothing to see here

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

@AimedWithV nailed it
All I know is, RNC's are the highest success rate sub around. We see fights where one guy is EXCLUSIVELY looking for a back take/RNC and usually they find it. At the highest levels of grappling, it's not only the most likely to work submission, its a scoring position if points are involved. If punches are allowed, the choker is practically safe from all strikes as long as he doesnt lose the back take in transition.

If you ever seriously rolled, you'll agree that when someone is solely focused on finishing you in that sequence, it's nearly impossible to avoid getting got.

Once your back has been taken, you're essentially playing catch up to stay in the fight. You can't just control hands and defend hooks all night, you'll be losing ground gradually along with endurance, all while the guy behind you can attack from your blindspot and stay 1 step ahead

 

[Blayt7hh]

If you compare mma submissions to the mid 2000s and earlier he is right. Over the last 10 years though statistics in the ufc have shown that the percentage of fights ending in submission hasn’t really changed. I can’t remember off the top of my head but it was something like 25% with almost half of fights going to decision

 

[Pious Augustus]

Awesome AV, BTW. Where did you get it?

Oh and Poirier is getting GNP for 5 rounds.

stole it from a sherbro

 

[Blayt7hh]

Dave Herman: BJJ doesn't work.

*immediately gets arm barred by nog*

Yep, that came to mind. It’s a sentiment that’s been around for a long time now even though nothing has really changed

 

[dmwalking]

Jiu jitsu/grappling is still very much relevant. People conflate jiu jitsu with submissions. BJJ is more than submissions. Submissions have become less prevalent because guys don't go for them as often and the new breed has learned to defend. But much like striking, BJJ is still evolving. Right now it's evolved more for positional control. BJJ beat Mousasi for the Bellator title (Rafael Lovato Jr). So BJJ is still relevant. Guys just need to learn to adapt their submission games for MMA beyond the RNC.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

stole it from a sherbro

 

[It's-Only-Business]

Everyone learns as much BJJ as possible, and everyone's sub defense is getting better.
With that, BJJ is not only about submissions, it's about positioning, guard work, even work from top. All wrestlers learn in wrestling is takedowns. NCAA trainer doesn't know how to pass guard.

Plus, good old RNC of an exhausted, beaten opponent that exposes his back trying to escape fists will mostly work.

you corrected the misnomer that all bjj is , is submissions. You then made an equally egregious error by saying wrestling is only takedowns. There are good wrestlers that are not good at takedowns. Mark Munoz & Ben Askren

 

[gono btw]

"jiu-jitsu is losing relevance in modern MMA" -Alexander Volkov

"Alexander Volkov knows Fabricio Werdum’s submissions are his main threat, but he also thinks the “the gentle art” is losing its applicability in modern day MMA."
Link
Volkov ended up beating Fabricio Werdum in the 4th

another case:

Fedor's last submission win was in 2008 up to that point he had (29) wins (14) by submission.
from 2009-2019 he fought 14 times (9-5) 7 wins by KO, 2 by decision, and 0 by submission

Could Prime Fedor pull the same submissions against modern MMA competition?

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...tion-of-submission-defence-grappling.3803333/

 

[PalmStrike]

I feel like Fedor wasn't that elite of a grappler but he was simply ahead of his opponents at the time
the same way when Khabib transitioned from sambo to MMA he was submitting everybody with triangles and armbars

So he was ahead of Big Nog but not a great grappler...