The end of the wrestler era?

[BJJ Lover]

List of champions:
https://www.ufc.com/rankings

Only 2 champions currently have wrestling as their first first/main base - Sterling and Islam.

Most champions now started out as boxers of kickboxers first.

 

[Leinster Rugby]

This again?

Wrestling will always be an excellent base for mma.

 

[Crazy Librarian]

That's because UFC rarely signs good wrestling prospect anymore nowadays, especially American wrestler. Who did UFC sign beside Bo Nickal this year?

 

[Bearknuckle]

Yep, we just saw karate vs kung fu duke it out in yesterdays main event. Even DC wants to watch karate vs kung fu all the time now lol

 

[Bearknuckle]

That's because UFC rarely signs good wrestling prospect anymore nowadays, especially American wrestler. Who did UFC sign beside Bo Nickal this year?

Maybe cuz they are boring.

 

[jk7707]

Here's another route. How many guys in the top 10 of each division (under 205) have a strong wrestling background?

 

[Bearknuckle]

Here's another route. How many guys in the top 10 of each division (under 205) have a strong wrestling background?

Maybe cuz theres no money in amateur wrestling, so they all flock to mma.

 

[deanambrose]

Maybe cuz they are boring.

No if you are Gamrot or Tsarukyan.

 

[Viva]

Wrestling is and will always be a necessity to reach championship levels in this sport.

 

[tritestill]

That's because UFC rarely signs good wrestling prospect anymore nowadays, especially American wrestler. Who did UFC sign beside Bo Nickal this year?

This. UFC will sign those Dagestan guys though

 

[Benoitthegr8]

List of champions:
https://www.ufc.com/rankings

Only 2 champions currently have wrestling as their first first/main base - Sterling and Islam.

Most champions now started out as boxers of kickboxers first.

TS, You’re Uaername doesn’t strongly suggests objectivity on the subject


Please stop, get some help

 

[KOPPE]

BJJ lover complaining about crotch sniffing..

 

[Kb7]

This. UFC will sign those Dagestan guys though

There's kinda a big difference in wrestling styles between American Wrestlers and Dagestan wrestlers.

 

[Bearknuckle]

Wrestling is and will always be a necessity to reach championship levels in this sport.

pretty sure punching and kicking people is a bigger neccesity. All wrestlers have to punch and kick. But not all strikers have to shoot a double leg.

 

[BJJ Lover]

pretty sure punching and kicking people is a bigger neccesity. All wrestlers have to punch and kick. But not all strikers have to shoot a double leg.

Here's another interesting thought - wrestling (at least Western wrestling), is the only martial martial art that you can't actually use to beat someone in a fight.

That is, if you're only allowed to use techniques from wrestling to fight, you'll never be able to hurt your opponent. Just take them down and control them.

With BJJ/Sambo/Judo, you can choke someone.

With boxing/kickboxing, you can KO someone.

 

[Viva]

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pretty sure punching and kicking people is a bigger neccesity. All wrestlers have to punch and kick. But not all strikers have to shoot a double leg.

Ngannou had to wrestle to beat Gane.

Adesanya even used clinchwork and wrestling to get the better of Alex for most of the fight.

Pereira has also yet to face a good wrestler.

Obviously you need striking, but it loses its value when you can’t dictate the pace of the fight. As much as I loved seeing Leon crush Usman, he was losing that fight because of Usman’s wrestling, and I fear he’ll lose the rematch for the same reason.

 

[Midget Boxer]

Leon edwards took down NCAA Usman. Wrestling is still a major skill

 

[Bearknuckle]

Here's another interesting thought - wrestling (at least Western wrestling), is the only martial martial art that you can't actually use to beat someone in a fight.

That is, if you're only allowed to use techniques from wrestling to fight, you'll never be able to hurt your opponent. Just take them down and control them.

With BJJ/Sambo/Judo, you can choke someone.

With boxing/kickboxing, you can KO someone.

This is true. Pure wrestling has no finishing moves. People may argue a slam on someones head, but thats just a by product of a takedown and a takedown isn’t mean to knock someone out, and is extremely rare. A slam KO is rare than a spinning wheel kick ko.

 

[Bearknuckle]

Ngannou had to wrestle to beat Gane.

Adesanya even used clinchwork and wrestling to get the better of Alex for most of the fight.

Pereira has also yet to face a good wrestler.

Obviously you need striking, but it loses its value when you can’t dictate the pace of the fight. As much as I loved seeing Leon crush Usman, he was losing that fight because of Usman’s wrestling, and I fear he’ll lose the rematch for the same reason.

Im not saying they never have to wrestle, but a striker can go in there and purely strike and win, whereas a wrestler can’t just use wrestling and no striking to win. GnP counts as striking.

 

[Viva]

Im not saying they never have to wrestle, but a striker can go in there and purely strike and win, whereas a wrestler can’t just use wrestling and no striking to win. GnP counts as striking.

They are both equally important in my eyes.

I suppose it’s also dependent on the match up, but I agree w your point 100%.