The Election Cycle, Edward Bernays, and Group Psychology

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I figured since we were in an election cycle and many people still either don't understand propaganda/group psychology or are in complete denial that the masses are manipulated daily, that this would be the right time for this post. This is all about Sigmund Freud's nephew, Edward Bernays.

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Edward Bernays 1891-1995, he died at age 103.

Sigmund Freud's nephew Edward Bernays pretty much explained how to control masses of people without them knowing they are being controlled, namely you and me. In fact, Freud's psychoanalytic theories were made popular in the west because his little nephew Edward Bernays helped make it happen.

This shit gets weird too because picture this. Freud married Martha Bernays. Martha's brother was named Ely Bernays. Freud's sister was named Anna. So Freud's sister Anna and his wife Martha's brother Ely got married and their son was Edward Bernays.

Bernays wrote a book called Propaganda in 1928 that I will post below, made large enough that you can read the text but think of this. When you hear so called CT's that the public school system is being dumb'ed down or the public school is being used for indoctrination, that's Edward Bernays. When you see politicians that just can't seem to answer a question plainly, that's Bernays. When you see the media spreading bullshit stories or acting as a propaganda arm of the government, that's Bernays. When you see a corporations like big Tobacco argue for decades that cigs don't cause cancer, that's Bernays.

Even currently during the presidential election when you have seen the efforts of media, Fox, CNN, MSNBC, do everything in their power to discredit Donald Trump, that's Bernays. This is an effort to control the masses. If you think not, consider this quote from Bernays' daughter Anne. This is how you know the establishment fears the American people will make the wrong decision and vote for "the wrong man" and need to be controlled. This why they are so pissed off that the American people continue to vote for Trump and their techniques of control are failing during this election cycle.

According to the BBC interview with Bernays' daughter Anne, Bernays believed that the public's democratic judgment was "not to be relied upon" and feared that the American public "could very easily vote for the wrong man or want the wrong thing, so that they had to be guided from above." Anne interpreted "guidance" to mean that her father believed in a sort of "enlightened despotism".[7]

In fact, even when you see George "W" Bush or other presidents give motivational speech's during wartime about "spreading democracy" to the world, that's Bernays. Its a slick manipulation to gain support from the masses and to this day, almost 100 years later, the notion is as strong as ever. If you want sauce on that idea then consider this.

Bernays worked for the Woodrow Wilson administration during WWI and was the head of the "Committee on Public Relations" which spread the idea that America was "spreading democracy to Europe" in order to gain support for the war. Sound familiar? Going to war to "spread freedom and Democracy." We still see this tactic used to this very day and to great effect because average folk have never even heard of Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud.

Even when you hear the term, public relations", that term was coined by Bernays. Want to know why? It happened because Bernays realized that there was a negative reaction to the term propaganda so he changed the word propaganda to public relations and that is another trick of Bernays, the re-coining of words to control what people think. When you see government refer to boots on the ground as not a war but a "kinetic military action", that's Edward Bernays.

What I'm saying is, Edward Bernays taught corporations, the government, and media how to use what is known as "group psychology" to put ideas in your mind without you knowing it and this doesn't go over well because educated folks don't believe they can be manipulated so easily. Over the decades Bernay's tactics have been refined and it is a part of almost every aspect of American life, as well as other countries now, and many people view this stuff as a CT. This is not a CT, this is how shit went down and how it continues to go down.

When you hear "Support the troops!" and "The soldiers are fighting for your freedom!", that's mother F'ing Edward Bernays crowd control that is so effective you can't even bring it up without enraging people. When BP oil has commercials all over the airwaves about their effort to clean up the oil spills and aid the healing of the environment, that's Edward MF'ing Bernays from the grave using public relations to control public opinion.

Here is the cover of one of the publications of Bernay's book, Propaganda. Read some of the cover to try to grasp what you are dealing with on a daily bases, probably without even realizing it. Understand that ideas and movements are usually put in motion by governments, media, corporations, and schools and the people in the movements have no idea the level of manipulation that has been used against them. Used against you.

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Lastly, this quote describing Bernay's as one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century.

He felt this manipulation was necessary in society, which he regarded as irrational and dangerous as a result of the "herd instinct" that Trotter had described.[2] Adam Curtis's award-winning 2002 documentary for the BBC, The Century of the Self, pinpoints Bernays as the originator of modern public relations, and Bernays was named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the 20th century by Life magazine.[3]
 
Bernays I'd say was more involved with advancing the existing field and pioneering some new techniques to make it more effective. Political language (deceptive language) was already in use, as was propaganda before his time but he did a lot of work in scaling it up and taking it to the next level.

A great case study for some of his techniques is the 'Torches of Freedom' campaign he did for the Lucky Strike company.

- He employed the fashion industry to sway women into wanting the color of the cigarette packaging. The fashion industry to this day works to manipulate people.
- He linked smoking to the Womens Liberation movement and convinced them it was an act of rebellion. We see the same techniques today in the Feminist ideology to manipulate women using the concept of liberation and rebellion to break down taboo. Classic social engineering.
- Organized marches that were presented as spontaneous
- It shows the lengths that a smoke company will go. Now just think of the lengths that government apparatus or the larger Oligarchy will go to sell ideas.

Worth a listen here

 
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda
 
i had to read this like 10x hahahaha

This shit gets weird too because picture this. Freud married Martha Bernays. Martha's brother was named Ely Bernays. Freud's sister was named Anna. So Freud's sister Anna and his wife Martha's brother Ely got married and their son was Edward Bernays.
 
Bernays I'd say was more involved with advancing the existing field and pioneering some new techniques to make it more effective. Political language (deceptive language) was already in use, as was propaganda before his time but he did a lot of work in scaling it up and taking it to the next level.

A great case study for some of his techniques is the 'Torches of Freedom' campaign he did for the Lucky Strike company.

- He employed the fashion industry to sway women into wanting the color of the cigarette packaging. The fashion industry to this day works to manipulate people.
- He linked smoking to the Womens Liberation movement and convinced them it was an act of rebellion. We see the same techniques today in the Feminist ideology to manipulate women using the concept of liberation and rebellion to break down taboo. Classic social engineering.
- Organized marches that were presented as spontaneous
- It shows the lengths that a smoke company will go. Now just think of the lengths that government apparatus or the larger Oligarchy will go to sell ideas.

Worth a listen here



Thanks IDL

The most interesting part of that video fro me was from the 4:00-6:00 mark. Its interesting because he says he talked to a Debutant friend of his and told her to get a friend of hers and two fellas that they liked and he instructed them how to tell the newsreels and the three important press associations and to walk from 34th street to 57th street, walking back and forth lighting "torches of freedom" (cigs) to protest mans taboo against women smoking.

He says the next morning every paper in America ran the story, "Debutant's light torches of freedom to protest mans inhumanity against women smoking." He goes on to say that within 3 days newspapers were publishing accounts of women smoking all over America. What is so interesting, and so horrifying at the same time, is that all those women had that idea put in their heads by Edward Bernays, only they didn't know that. They did what people do, they jump into a movement, thinking all along that its their own idea. It almost never is their idea though. Bernays, with a simple stunt and press release was able to overthrow the idea of a ban on women's smoking in only 6 weeks.

You gotta also realize that Bernays was the one that popularized the idea of using press releases to sway public opinion, but without the public knowing it, that is the key to the nature of group psychology. Bernays refined and popularized the use of the press release, following its invention by PR man Ivy Lee, who had issued a press release after the 1906 Atlantic City train wreck......Bernays convinced industries that the news, not advertising, was the best medium to carry their message to an unsuspecting public.

Also from your post, talking about Bernays refining the tactics of propaganda, one important distinction here is that propaganda at that time was mostly used as a tactic during times of war. Edward Bernays wanted to see what could be done with it during peacetime and this is where he got the idea to present it not as propaganda, but as public relations.
 
I did not not read some of the post. Is that perverted piece of shit Freud still taken seriously today? I largely ignore the field of modern psychology unless I want healthy laughs of incredulity, the DSM5 being comedic gold.
 
i had to read this like 10x hahahaha

Yea its some pretty convoluted shit. Freud and his sister Anna married a sister and brother, Martha and Ely and then Edward Bernays was born who then both changed and advanced the fields of propaganda and public relations, which by the way, are the same thing because Bernays coined the term public relations as a replacement for the word propaganda because people react negatively to propaganda.

Today major corporations have a division or set of people working in public relations for them, which is another way of saying "our propaganda arm would now like to speak with you." People would be like whaaaat.....but that is exactly what it is. When Megan from FoX news or Mika from MSNBA says and now we are going to hear from John Smoothtalker, officer of public relations for the wtfcompany, what she is really saying is now lets hear some propaganda.

And these methods are not just used by corporations. Edward Bernays has seeped into government, corporations, media, and schools. This is how they socially engineer a nation, which Bernays referred to as the "manufacture of consent."

Consider this, the entire key to propaganda/public relations is to make you and I think things that are not our ideas but without us knowing they put the ideas there to begin with.

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Thanks IDL

The most interesting part of that video fro me was from the 4:00-6:00 mark. Its interesting because he says he talked to a Debutant friend of his and told her to get a friend of hers and two fellas that they liked and he instructed them how to tell the newsreels and the three important press associations and to walk from 34th street to 57th street, walking back and forth lighting "torches of freedom" (cigs) to protest mans taboo against women smoking.

He says the next morning every paper in America ran the story, "Debutant's light torches of freedom to protest mans inhumanity against women smoking." He goes on to say that within 3 days newspapers were publishing accounts of women smoking all over America. What is so interesting, and so horrifying at the same time, is that all those women had that idea put in their heads by Edward Bernays, only they didn't know that. They did what people do, they jump into a movement, thinking all along that its their own idea. It almost never is their idea though. Bernays, with a simple stunt and press release was able to overthrow the idea of a ban on women's smoking in only 6 weeks.

You gotta also realize that Bernays was the one that popularized the idea of using press releases to sway public opinion, but without the public knowing it, that is the key to the nature of group psychology. Bernays refined and popularized the use of the press release, following its invention by PR man Ivy Lee, who had issued a press release after the 1906 Atlantic City train wreck......Bernays convinced industries that the news, not advertising, was the best medium to carry their message to an unsuspecting public.

Also from your post, talking about Bernays refining the tactics of propaganda, one important distinction here is that propaganda at that time was mostly used as a tactic during times of war. Edward Bernays wanted to see what could be done with it during peacetime and this is where he got the idea to present it not as propaganda, but as public relations.

In that interview he downplays the extent of what he did as well. He sort of makes it sounds like the press happened spontaneously, which would at least be partially true, but he was a very well connected man.

This little clip talks about how he convinced designers to incorporate the Lucky Strike green color into the seasons fashion line. One doesn't just go and do that without some serious connections (or a lot of money to pay off the right people).



He became well known for his abilities and they appealed to politicians, corporations, and anyone else looking to manipulate public opinions.

And yeah the effectiveness of the techniques relies on people not knowing they are being manipulated. It is essentially the art of the con, on a mass scale, and this is how society is driven today. Motives are hidden behind the curtain, so to speak, and people can be manipulated into doing all sorts of things they are 'sold' on. Society can be shaped and molded by unseen hands.

The science and art of this is far more advanced today obviously.
 
In that interview he downplays the extent of what he did as well. He sort of makes it sounds like the press happened spontaneously, which would at least be partially true, but he was a very well connected man.

This little clip talks about how he convinced designers to incorporate the Lucky Strike green color into the seasons fashion line. One doesn't just go and do that without some serious connections (or a lot of money to pay off the right people).



He became well known for his abilities and they appealed to politicians, corporations, and anyone else looking to manipulate public opinions.

And yeah the effectiveness of the techniques relies on people not knowing they are being manipulated. It is essentially the art of the con, on a mass scale, and this is how society is driven today. Motives are hidden behind the curtain, so to speak, and people can be manipulated into doing all sorts of things they are 'sold' on. Society can be shaped and molded by unseen hands.

The science and art of this is far more advanced today obviously.


I just got home so I actually want to post more than I can right now. For now though, its interesting to me that if you take a couple different things I already posted in this thread, a fairly slick picture begins to emerge about the way you control, influence, and manipulate large numbers of people.


Bernays refined and popularized the use of the press release, following its invention by PR man Ivy Lee, who had issued a press release after the 1906 Atlantic City train wreck......Bernays convinced industries that the news, not advertising, was the best medium to carry their message to an unsuspecting public.


and,

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So Bernays convinced corporations that the press was the better tool to control than advertising and also, this is always the most important part of Edward Bernays, is that you bend their will without them knowing it.

Think of the BP Oil spill in the Gulf. I don't recall seeing very many commercials sponsored by BP to try to explain they were doing all they could. Not saying they didn't exist, I just didn't see much of that. What I did see though was FoX, CNN, MSNBC handling that crisis 24 hours a day. They even convinced me that I should be mad about it, (which is an easy sell since people were legit mad), but then, toward the end they made sure and tell me that BP was going to be responsible and try to clean up and pay money and make sure this never happens again.

Now, that seems like the normal 24/7 news cycle now, but maybe it isn't normal at all. Think about this whole thing with Trump. In the beginning when this was just starting, remember what happened? Fox sicked Megan Kelley on Trump and she was asking him questions that made him mad. Megan was supposed to take him out early and Trump did this....



Then what happened? The American people started voting for Trump, against the media's attempts to control the public perception of Trump. That is what makes this election cycle so different. Even now, with Trump securing the nomination, I've seen the media continuously pushing against him because basically the establishment fears he is uncontrollable.

This is what Bernays' own daughter said about these things.

According to the BBC interview with Bernays' daughter Anne, Bernays believed that the public's democratic judgment was "not to be relied upon" and feared that the American public "could very easily vote for the wrong man or want the wrong thing, so that they had to be guided from above." Anne interpreted "guidance" to mean that her father believed in a sort of "enlightened despotism".[7]
 
@MusterX & @IDL

Trump propaganda'd the propaganda.



persuasion is essentially propaganda and marketing, yeah?
 
@MusterX & @IDL

Trump propaganda'd the propaganda.



persuasion is essentially propaganda and marketing, yeah?


I think it is more accurate to say that propaganda and marketing is persuasion. At the end of the day it is all designed to act upon the wills of the recipient. To change their minds, to change their behaviors, and over time even their ideologies.

Trump is an odd one. Nothing he is doing psychologically is new. It is just unusual in the context he uses it in. It's hard to say how much of it is him, and how much of it is his team but it comes across as him (which is what matters). It also appears that he has always been like that (at least when in public) based on older footage and it has probably served him well over the years. Maybe this is what we call a magnetic personality.

The branding thing he does is certainly deliberate though, and there is certainly psychology behind making associations and that leading to changing peoples thoughts.

But in terms of theme of the thread, each little psychological trick will be used by the advertisers and PR firms, and anyone else looking to steer people one way or the other. It is an industry.

Then there are psychological operations and warfare divisions. Same principals, different motives.
 
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@MusterX & @IDL

Trump propaganda'd the propaganda.



persuasion is essentially propaganda and marketing, yeah?


Great clip Anung. You know its weird, I'm conservative, but not Republican. I'm not Republican or Democrat, but even though I lean right, I still have always found something a bit refreshing about Maher. He is willing to say things and talk about topics that many others will not. In terms of Trump reversing the tables on this propaganda game, yes I believe he has so far.

It was very interesting to hear a persuasion expert talk about the power persuasion he has been pulling. Branding his opponents as crooked, or sleepy, or crazy and all the while people either think its infantile and don't get it while the rest of the people cheer it ever onward with votes. To me, this election cycle is very very interesting because the people are almost breaking their programing to vote for Trump no matter what he says. As I said in another post, FoX had originally sicked Megan Kelley on Trump and I guess they figured the right would take care of this in house problem of Trump on their own but Trump came out swinging like it was Bisping/Rockhold.

My whole point in this thread is to point out enough information to let people know to the degree that the American public is controlled mentally by corporations, schools, media, and government, and that 99% of us are virtually unaware of it, by design. You notice how few people are willing to engage in this conversation? I find that interesting. Time listed Bernays as one of the 100 most influential people of the last century. This guy has impacted so many things its unbelievable. Think about the big stink of fossil fuel companies funding research to counter argue against man made climate change. That is CLASSIC Bernays man.

Bernays said that governments depend on the acquiescence of the public in order for their plans to work. Remember when "W" went to ground zero with a camera crew and a bull horn and put his arm around a fireman.

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And he said "the people that did this are going to hear from us real soon!" And everyone cheered, "YEAAAA!!!!!." Then Bush flies the flag.

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That is Bernays all day long. If Bush had said we need to find out who did this and conduct an investigation, and talk to congress, etc. then he could not have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, which had nothing to do with 9/11. Remember, he said the people that did this will hear from us real soon. We didn't go after the people that did it, we went to Iraq, but in one photo shoot Bush was able to bend the will of the people and get them to acquiesce to war and we were off to the races.
 
I just got home so I actually want to post more than I can right now. For now though, its interesting to me that if you take a couple different things I already posted in this thread, a fairly slick picture begins to emerge about the way you control, influence, and manipulate large numbers of people.


Bernays refined and popularized the use of the press release, following its invention by PR man Ivy Lee, who had issued a press release after the 1906 Atlantic City train wreck......Bernays convinced industries that the news, not advertising, was the best medium to carry their message to an unsuspecting public.


and,

th


So Bernays convinced corporations that the press was the better tool to control than advertising and also, this is always the most important part of Edward Bernays, is that you bend their will without them knowing it.

Think of the BP Oil spill in the Gulf. I don't recall seeing very many commercials sponsored by BP to try to explain they were doing all they could. Not saying they didn't exist, I just didn't see much of that. What I did see though was FoX, CNN, MSNBC handling that crisis 24 hours a day. They even convinced me that I should be mad about it, (which is an easy sell since people were legit mad), but then, toward the end they made sure and tell me that BP was going to be responsible and try to clean up and pay money and make sure this never happens again.

Now, that seems like the normal 24/7 news cycle now, but maybe it isn't normal at all. Think about this whole thing with Trump. In the beginning when this was just starting, remember what happened? Fox sicked Megan Kelley on Trump and she was asking him questions that made him mad. Megan was supposed to take him out early and Trump did this....



Then what happened? The American people started voting for Trump, against the media's attempts to control the public perception of Trump. That is what makes this election cycle so different. Even now, with Trump securing the nomination, I've seen the media continuously pushing against him because basically the establishment fears he is uncontrollable.

This is what Bernays' own daughter said about these things.

According to the BBC interview with Bernays' daughter Anne, Bernays believed that the public's democratic judgment was "not to be relied upon" and feared that the American public "could very easily vote for the wrong man or want the wrong thing, so that they had to be guided from above." Anne interpreted "guidance" to mean that her father believed in a sort of "enlightened despotism".[7]


The BP thing was pretty interesting. One major technique that I noticed, that is used all over the place, is that of the sacrifice.

They spent a lot of time focusing the negative energy on the CEO. He acted like a voodoo doll soaking up the negative vibes. Then they sacrificed him to the masses as a symbolic act. In reality what does it change? Nothing really it's the symbolism and psychology to placate the mob and I'm sure he was well rewarded for his part in the play.

This voodoo doll effect I find is also behind democracy and elections. The leader absorbs all the positive and negative energy of what happens 'under his watch' and then he's gone, and with it goes most of that energy and the cycle starts fresh again. Like a cleansing ritual.

This allows the larger control apparatus and the people with the real power to continue on forever while the masses are constantly placated no matter what happens.
 
In that interview he downplays the extent of what he did as well. He sort of makes it sounds like the press happened spontaneously, which would at least be partially true, but he was a very well connected man.

This little clip talks about how he convinced designers to incorporate the Lucky Strike green color into the seasons fashion line. One doesn't just go and do that without some serious connections (or a lot of money to pay off the right people).



He became well known for his abilities and they appealed to politicians, corporations, and anyone else looking to manipulate public opinions.

And yeah the effectiveness of the techniques relies on people not knowing they are being manipulated. It is essentially the art of the con, on a mass scale, and this is how society is driven today. Motives are hidden behind the curtain, so to speak, and people can be manipulated into doing all sorts of things they are 'sold' on. Society can be shaped and molded by unseen hands.

The science and art of this is far more advanced today obviously.


Well yea you are talking about the expense and connections needed to control and manipulate millions. Consider some things Bernays said.

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Here is a more complete quote talking about how our ideas, tastes, and minds are not our own.

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So there will be a small, wealthy, but extremely powerful group of men that are able to bend the public will and mostly without the public being aware that it is happening. During his early years Bernays worked with Procter & Gamble, CBS, the United Fruit Company, the American Tobacco Company, General Electric, Dodge Motors and others. He was instrumental in teaching major corporations not only how to make people think they want their products but how to handle them when they get mad.

Think of guys like Rupert Murdoch and George Soros, you think those fellas are not acutely aware of Bernays and his techniques? I'll give you a small one now from the public schools and how they use social engineering even on small scales. I have a daughter that is elementary school age. She comes home one day and says her teacher told all the students to ask their parents if they are recycling everything they can. They start putting these ideas in their heads at age 5 or 6. Then another time she comes home and asks me if I turn off the water while I'm brushing my teeth to save water.

We start them at K-12, continue the indoctrination into college, then hit the adults with 24/7 mass media that is slickly crafted, and this doesn't even touch on the work of the government and of major corporations. This sort of thing is ubiquitous in American culture, birth to grave down to the smallest details.
 
Great post Muster. As a libertarian, I know this to be true as far as manipulating the public through school age indoctrination and media.

You hear the same ol' arguments, voting 3rd party is a waste or at worst a vote for clinton/trump, not voting is the same as a vote for clinton/trump (im still waiting for the ppl I know who use this argument to explain to me how 0=1).

As far as this election circus, I think trump is the lesser of the two evils here (I won't vote for anyone though bc I don't think the office should even exist). There's at least a *chance* he'll stop the new marches to war and negotiate in terms of foreign policy (although he could certainly pull a Bush). With Clinton I think you could certainly look forward to new wars, more mass murder, left-flavored attacks on personal liberty, further encouragement of the putrid SJW culture, and at least a decent chance at nuclear holocaust. There's only so much provocation Russia will tolerate being completely surrounded by US military bases and troop movements.

But, you know, support and salute the troops next time you're at an NFL game or sitting in your mega church (general statement, not you directly) on Sunday when you're supposed to be separating from the world system and only praising Jesus.
 
And yeah, my son has come home with the exact same concepts from K and 1st grade. It's pretty disturbing as a parent to be aware of this and watch your own flesh and blood be subject to the state's brainwashing.
 
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda

It would seem that the common people are not meant to know that ^^ truth. Of course even if it was shown to them only a small % would really dig into it or care.... The interesting thing is that the 'peaceful' approach won't stop or get rid of men like Bernays. That is if you believe that Bernays was a 'bad' man.


Great clip Anung. You know its weird, I'm conservative, but not Republican. I'm not Republican or Democrat, but even though I lean right, I still have always found something a bit refreshing about Maher. He is willing to say things and talk about topics that many others will not. In terms of Trump reversing the tables on this propaganda game, yes I believe he has so far.

It was very interesting to hear a persuasion expert talk about the power persuasion he has been pulling. Branding his opponents as crooked, or sleepy, or crazy and all the while people either think its infantile and don't get it while the rest of the people cheer it ever onward with votes. To me, this election cycle is very very interesting because the people are almost breaking their programing to vote for Trump no matter what he says. As I said in another post, FoX had originally sicked Megan Kelley on Trump and I guess they figured the right would take care of this in house problem of Trump on their own but Trump came out swinging like it was Bisping/Rockhold.

My whole point in this thread is to point out enough information to let people know to the degree that the American public is controlled mentally by corporations, schools, media, and government, and that 99% of us are virtually unaware of it, by design. You notice how few people are willing to engage in this conversation? I find that interesting. Time listed Bernays as one of the 100 most influential people of the last century. This guy has impacted so many things its unbelievable. Think about the big stink of fossil fuel companies funding research to counter argue against man made climate change. That is CLASSIC Bernays man.

Bernays said that governments depend on the acquiescence of the public in order for their plans to work. Remember when "W" went to ground zero with a camera crew and a bull horn and put his arm around a fireman.

th


And he said "the people that did this are going to hear from us real soon!" And everyone cheered, "YEAAAA!!!!!." Then Bush flies the flag.

th


That is Bernays all day long. If Bush had said we need to find out who did this and conduct an investigation, and talk to congress, etc. then he could not have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, which had nothing to do with 9/11. Remember, he said the people that did this will hear from us real soon. We didn't go after the people that did it, we went to Iraq, but in one photo shoot Bush was able to bend the will of the people and get them to acquiesce to war and we were off to the races.

I disagree.

Bush is a good man he was just misled.

 
It would seem that the common people are not meant to know that ^^ truth. Of course even if it was shown to them only a small % would really dig into it or care.... The interesting thing is that the 'peaceful' approach won't stop or get rid of men like Bernays. That is if you believe that Bernays was a 'bad' man.




I disagree.

Bush is a good man he was just misled.



Well, I guess I would say "Bush was misled" is too vague for me to comment on. I'm not saying Bush is somehow different from our other politicians, in fact I kinda miss "W" sometimes. He gave us some hilarious moments and he was also president during an incredibly difficult time.

Plus he dodged shoes like a boss.

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And I suspect he is probably awesome at a party.

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And he also doesn't take any shit

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