The Divided States of Embarassment

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Now no matter how this election turns out in the end, it is evident that the United States is more divided than it has been for many decades. It is not only about the candidates. Trump's supporters literally seem to live in a different world than Hillary's. They live in different places, they speak differently, eat differently, send their kids to different schools, and they both have a very different perception of what the facts are. They assemble their world view from entirely different media sources.

Clinton country, that is upper class and upper middle class Whites, Hispanics, Blacks and other minorities. Trump country is working class Whites and large parts of the White middle class afraid to suffer more than they already have.

Either way: The US will be even more divided after Tuesday and be weaker for it, irrespective of who will be President because neither of them will have the public backing them om either their domestic nor foreign policy endeavours. And it is the result of an entire generation of politicians that has failed to unite the country and instead tried to divide for political gain.

On top of all, it is pretty embarassing. While it is obvious that only one candidate is qualified, how is it possible that political America was unable to come up with with a candidate who is not under FBI investigation (it was obvious Hillary's e-mail scandal would become a big issue, criminal or not) or a complete political impertinence.

In effect, none of the two candidates will have the ability to reduce the gap and increase unity. That is in part because both of them are not good candidates; one mediocre, one horrible. But the larger problem is that - and that is obviously my outside view (but WR inside view) - that I am not even sure what could be done at this point in time to tackle the issue.


I am not completely sure when it started getting this bad. I think for some it was 9/11, which was an event that shook America's confidence and was of a magnitude that some believed it could only have been committed by the US itself - those folks stopped believing media and government.

The next issue probably was the Iraq War - a war, while having popular support at the time, the government had initiated with lies backed by media that were all too eager to be close to what was happening on the ground and failed to act as a corrective fourth power. Not only did the media not do their job (in a political climate that saw French Fries renamed because France did not want to go to war), also many Democrats voted for the War - doing what seemed opportune and popular at the time, but not best for the country.

The third big issue was the election of a Black president. It signified that the white male's rule may be coming to an end in a country that has been owned and ruled by White males since its inception. You don't have to be racist to understand that this had the power to instill fear in people who had been on the wrong side of globalization and modernization processes for years and now not even could feel that 'people like themselves' would rule and make things better for them - remember Obama came to office in the middle of the financial crisis.

The fourth issue I already touched on slightly. It is the changing demographics of the US that is driven by both legal and illegal migration. They also signify a power shift, and while the rise of BLM was certainly driven by social media, it certainly also cannot be understood without this power shift (the same goes for the attention it gets from its opponents).

All in all, the threads on whether there will be violence depending on who wins from either militia types or non-Whites may exaggerate the problem in the short term, but the overall challenge remains: How can the US grow back together?
 
I agree that the divisiveness that has reached a fever pitch through this election cycle will persist after the election is over. One of the biggest mistake was the act of pathologizing individuals for their choice in candidates. It became commonplace to denigrate a stranger because they're voting for Trump, and Hillary to a lesser extent, as if there is a wrong choice to be made which reflects a moral deficiency.

I think you're wrong in your assessment as to why this divisiveness arose, or at least it's incomplete. I think much of this is a direct reaction to progressive left wing thinking that has been slowly adopted into the zeitgeist which is rejected by those that are attacked and/or excluded.
 
You're thinking way to hard about this.

The biggest reason Trump is there is because Rubio got exposed as an empty suit and Jeb turned out to be a pussy (don't think he even wanted to run).

For whatever reason the GOP did not want to rally around Kasich.

If Romney or Ryan had run I think they take Trump out.

The sky isn't falling and we aren't going to civil war
 
One side had no real leadership, the other has no real compass.
 
The basic premise of the two party system is adversarialism ie partisanship. Which is exactly what the founding fathers intended. People often mistakenly conclude that this implies opposition for the sake of opposition. This could not be further from the truth. It's a lost idea nowadays but the idea of the loyal opposition was very much a real and common thing for much of our political history. You would never root for your country to fail just to make the party in power look bad. It never crossed one's political mind. The first real break in this paradigm came when the 1951 Republican Congress gave Douglas MacArthur a pulpit on which to bash a sitting U.S. President not for any substantive grievances but perceived grievances of a deluded madman who nearly started a nuclear holocaust. (As an aside it's kind of similar to the current Republican Congress giving Benjamin Netanyahu a pulpit to bash a sitting U.S. President for negotiating a far reaching nuclear peace treaty.)

It was all downhill from there. The Republican Party would engage in victory by any means: ie racial politics of jim crow/segregation, McCarthyism, etc. And all of it leads to our current political paradigm. One party united in the idea that it's better to accomplish literally nothing even if it hurts the country so long as it hurts the opposition too. Look at the government shut down and the refusal to accept Medicaid expansion by states with Republican Governors as more recent examples.

But I want to close on this point. The two party system has not failed. The model does and has worked in the past. One party is simply not pulling its weight. The Republican party's decline from a national party to that of a regional party will continue and in time it will die. Something new will take its place. In the meantime, Democrats have a real opportunity to recalculate the trajectory of the country. What a politcal age to be alive.
 
The republican party is going through a transition. Trumpian politicians will take over the republican party. It hasn't been done before because no one thought it would be successful.

Imagine someone with similar stances on issues that doesn't have any dirty on them. They'd win by a landslide.
 
Trump will unite us when he's elected.

Because all the famous leftists said they're leaving the country anyway;)
 
Trump will get the rural vote and he will reach out to the urban population.

 
The republican party is going through a transition. Trumpian politicians will take over the republican party. It hasn't been done before because no one thought it would be successful.

Imagine someone with similar stances on issues that doesn't have any dirty on them. They'd win by a landslide.

Like George Wallace?
 
It's a rough one, these are bound to happen in a system where there are only two viable candidates at the end. By contrast, Obama and Romney had a relatively clean election with two guys who have fairly consistent backgrounds and no real scandalous behaviour on either side. You may say that there were guys on the internet behaving similarly, but did the mud-slinging ever truly reach the mainstream? Nope.

I find Trump's nomination to be more understandable than Clinton's to be honest. He was a populist candidate that was able to seize upon the frustrations of people who haven't been as prosperous during Obama's 8-year rule, or atleast feel that way.

What the hell does Clinton have? She's experienced, sure, but there are a dozen crusty old bureaucrats within the political circles that have similar experience level. None of them ever make President for obvious reasons.
 
Didn't read because of title.

Time to get embarrassment and [America] out of the same sentence. Quit the Colin Kaepernicking and start making America great again - ie. punt liberalism.
 
Now no matter how this election turns out in the end, it is evident that the United States is more divided than it has been for many decades. It is not only about the candidates. Trump's supporters literally seem to live in a different world than Hillary's. They live in different places, they speak differently, eat differently, send their kids to different schools, and they both have a very different perception of what the facts are. They assemble their world view from entirely different media sources.

Clinton country, that is upper class and upper middle class Whites, Hispanics, Blacks and other minorities. Trump country is working class Whites and large parts of the White middle class afraid to suffer more than they already have.

Either way: The US will be even more divided after Tuesday and be weaker for it, irrespective of who will be President because neither of them will have the public backing them om either their domestic nor foreign policy endeavours. And it is the result of an entire generation of politicians that has failed to unite the country and instead tried to divide for political gain.

On top of all, it is pretty embarassing. While it is obvious that only one candidate is qualified, how is it possible that political America was unable to come up with with a candidate who is not under FBI investigation (it was obvious Hillary's e-mail scandal would become a big issue, criminal or not) or a complete political impertinence.

In effect, none of the two candidates will have the ability to reduce the gap and increase unity. That is in part because both of them are not good candidates; one mediocre, one horrible. But the larger problem is that - and that is obviously my outside view (but WR inside view) - that I am not even sure what could be done at this point in time to tackle the issue.


I am not completely sure when it started getting this bad. I think for some it was 9/11, which was an event that shook America's confidence and was of a magnitude that some believed it could only have been committed by the US itself - those folks stopped believing media and government.

The next issue probably was the Iraq War - a war, while having popular support at the time, the government had initiated with lies backed by media that were all too eager to be close to what was happening on the ground and failed to act as a corrective fourth power. Not only did the media not do their job (in a political climate that saw French Fries renamed because France did not want to go to war), also many Democrats voted for the War - doing what seemed opportune and popular at the time, but not best for the country.

The third big issue was the election of a Black president. It signified that the white male's rule may be coming to an end in a country that has been owned and ruled by White males since its inception. You don't have to be racist to understand that this had the power to instill fear in people who had been on the wrong side of globalization and modernization processes for years and now not even could feel that 'people like themselves' would rule and make things better for them - remember Obama came to office in the middle of the financial crisis.

The fourth issue I already touched on slightly. It is the changing demographics of the US that is driven by both legal and illegal migration. They also signify a power shift, and while the rise of BLM was certainly driven by social media, it certainly also cannot be understood without this power shift (the same goes for the attention it gets from its opponents).

All in all, the threads on whether there will be violence depending on who wins from either militia types or non-Whites may exaggerate the problem in the short term, but the overall challenge remains: How can the US grow back together?

It started around 1980 when the GOP realized that their increasingly pro-rich policies couldn't possibly garner enough popular support by themselves so they decided to adopt a social/cultural element to their platform.

This is when they hopped on the religious bandwagon, the morality bandwagon and the white resentment bandwagon. Supply Side Jesus was born in this era.

jesus-feedthepeopel.jpg



But then yeah, 9/11 and Dubya just took everything into overdrive. A religious zealot leading the most powerful country in the world to smash two tiny, miserably poor countries. The deplorables and retrogrades were in heaven.

Having a black guy named Hussein Obama as president just pissed them off some more. So much so that they nominated an illiterate for Vice President in 2008 and an insult to intelligence and dignity for president in 2016.

In summation, the great division is just the right reaping what they initially sowed decades ago. They'll thrown their usual hysterics on Tuesday when they take another L.
 
I like how people bring Jesus into politics like it's real. What did Jesus do for the poor exactly? How many mouths did he feed? Steve Jobs did more for the poor than Jesus.
 
It started around 1980 when the GOP realized that their increasingly pro-rich policies couldn't possibly garner enough popular support by themselves so they decided to adopt a social/cultural element to their platform.

This is when they hopped on the religious bandwagon, the morality bandwagon and the white resentment bandwagon. Supply Side Jesus was born in this era.

jesus-feedthepeopel.jpg



But then yeah, 9/11 and Dubya just took everything into overdrive. A religious zealot leading the most powerful country in the world to smash two tiny, miserably poor countries. The deplorables and retrogrades were in heaven.

Having a black guy named Hussein Obama as president just pissed them off some more. So much so that they nominated an illiterate for Vice President in 2008 and an insult to intelligence and dignity for president in 2016.

In summation, the great division is just the right reaping what they initially sowed decades ago. They'll thrown their usual hysterics on Tuesday when they take another L.

Teach a man to fish, he'll fish for a lifetime. Give a man your fish, he'll be stuck taking your fish until someone teaches him to fish.
 
The largest demographic is the non voter. Please keep that in mind.
 
"Multiculturalism", cultural marxsim and identity politics.

Get fucking used to it, son.
 
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