The Difference Between a Noob-spaz and an Accident?

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  1. Prokofievian

    Prokofievian Silver Belt

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    I was at Jiu-Jitsu last night, and we were doing Knee-on-belly specific rolling. I was on the bottom, and the guy, instead of submitting me just went for a quick mount. I was able to roll him, but in the process my hip crushed his foot and when we landed, my head hit him in the face. I felt like shit. I thought "omg did I just noob-spaz on someone?". Usually whenever I get hurt in Jiu Jitsu I say "water under the bridge", but this guy was right PISSED at me. He said "you just have to relax" which is true, and I've been trying to do that actively. That's fine but he basically reacted like I was some dangerous felon for the rest of the night, at one point even telling me to "keep my arms by my side" when we were standing in a line up. huh?

    This was alright, however, there was another noob there who was throwing kicks on the bottom against this guy...not a fucking WORD was said to him!

    I mean, I guess I was frustrated because all we learned about knee-on-belly side control was how to attack if you're the guy on top. We didnt do a single escape. In the exercise the guy who's lined up on the wall, comes over to his opponent and he assumes the dominated position. That's cool. So basically I have two choices...I can "relax" as he says and just lay there, get dominated, and basically see what i've been learning all night, or i can try something.

    Anyways, does anyone have any good ideas for escaping from knee-on-belly side control so I dont have to "noob-spaz" anymore lol.

    After a few good rolls I found that hipping-out is a good idea.
     
  2. sak

    sak White Belt

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    Sounds like just an accident to me....basically you guys were drilling so you were suppose to try to escape while the other guy maintained position or tried for something right?

    One time I went for a kimura and couldnt get it so went for a bump sweep...the guy pushed his weight forward and my wrist and shoulder locked on the hand I was posting with...just an accident...shit happens.

    a BB at my school showed me a great knee on belly escape. You can transition into different sweeps also from it. Let's say the guy has knee on belly on your right side...you basically control his left arm with your left and pull it in and to the side...with your right arm, you use your elbow and push to the side to get the knee off...once you do turn into him and control his leg...I was too overwhelmed by just that so I dont remember the sweeps lol
     
  3. Prokofievian

    Prokofievian Silver Belt

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    That sounds like a good plan actually. I'll ask someone about it next time i'm at jiu jitsu.
     
  4. Deloitte

    Deloitte Blue Belt

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    It was a noob-spaz move, in the sense you didn't really execute the proper technique to push his leg and get half guard when he transitioned in mount (Or whatever proper escape you want to use to defend getting mounted from knee-on-belly). Instead you chose to brute force, bridge/upa and reverse him into guard.
     
  5. Prokofievian

    Prokofievian Silver Belt

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    Interesting. Do you have any ideas, or places where these ideas are demonstrated, for "properly escaping" the knee-on-belly? If so, that'd be sweet.
     
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    J Storm** Banned Banned

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    whenever you're the one who gets hurt you have a right to get pissed for a few seconds. i was rolling w/ one of my best friends, told him to go easy, and then he almost broke my finger, i was really livid for a minute or two.
     
  7. Deloitte

    Deloitte Blue Belt

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    Push on knee and shrimping away is a basic way.
     
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    stlnl2 Blue Belt

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    This shit happens, and will always happen. Heads crashing sounds like a spazz thing to me, so the question is, do you have a "record" of spazz moves or being told to calm down, or is the first time you have heard it?
     
  9. Moving Shadow

    Moving Shadow You are entering my dark place

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    I remember being told to never touch the knee with your hand as it gives up the far side armbar, instead hook the foot with the other arm and try get a deep grip on the gi skirt / belt. I'm not sure what to do then, either bridge and roll them over you or shrimp out to your knees and finish it kinda like an 'old school' sweep.
     
  10. Prokofievian

    Prokofievian Silver Belt

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    This is the first time it's ever happened, and I'm determined to make it the only time I ever get accused of "noob-spazzing".

    I didnt even realise that anything had happened, or that I was even "going that hard" until I saw that he was in pain, at which point I started apologizing, and seeing if he was okay.

    He did help me with some flow rolling which went really well, so that was cool of him.
     
  11. Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay Latex Salesman

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    Can you further explain this? I am picturing a "bow to your sensei" moment.
     
  12. stlnl2

    stlnl2 Blue Belt

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    Then you probably just went a tad hard, but the fact is escape is the TIME to go a tad hard. He knows this, and most likely was having a vagasil moment because he got reversed. I would not give it a second thought. If you are consistently being told to calm down, you need to ask why then, but I think you are good to go. Sometimes knees and elbows knock a little, part of grappling IMO.

    This is of course assuming you were expected to do your best to escape.
     
  13. Prokofievian

    Prokofievian Silver Belt

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    It was a very TMA moment if you will. Serious as a fuckin heart-attack. Like when I went against a purple belt to try to pass his guard(another one of our exercises) he said "just relax, dont spaz out". I was standing in line, and he told me to "unfold my arms, keep your arms by your side. You just gotta calm down man". I mean, I can understand what it's like to be pissed when someone spazzes, but if someone really feels bad for what they've done it's sorta run its course.
     
  14. MonkeyNuts!

    MonkeyNuts! Rear Naked Poker

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    If you're going 120% with a mixed look of fear and adrenaline, arms flailing, breathing hard like you just ran a 30K marathon, and you end up smacking your opponent around, then yeah that's spazzing.

    If you're calm and conserving energy and trying to set up moves with good technique and then when you finally decide to explode and you smack someone, that's a little bit more forgiveable.

    Generally the second instance happens less, and higher ups can tell the difference. If you have a track record of going rabid all the time, then sorry bro ur a spazzzzzz.
     
  15. DirectDrive

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    try this to escape.

    if they are on your right side with their right knee on you:

    block their left knee with your right hand.
    circle your left knee under their but and elevate them with it. you might get a sweep but can usually get the space you need to escape.

    i normally block the knee that is on me with my elbow and shrimp away.
     
  16. Prokofievian

    Prokofievian Silver Belt

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    Thanks, I'll definetly give it a try. I might not be able to because my legs are so long. I have trouble getting my knee into their butt when i'm trying to pass guard, but It seems like something that people might not expect. If worse comes to worse I can just do the shrimping thing.
     
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    andrewbc Purple Belt

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    shit happens when your rolling, just tell the guy you meant no harm. if he was a higher belt then you maybe he felt challenged by you or something, who knows
     
  18. shuter

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    Doesn't sound like a noob-spaz to me at all especially if your thinking about it this hard. I can't even count the number of times when I have gotten kneed in the head, elbowed or kicked. It's called working hard and if you are consistently being told to calm down it may be a problem but this doesn't seem to be the case. Also if you are a tall skinny guy or athletic or any combination it may seem like your just a bag of knees and elbows but that kind of body type is prone to accidental knees and even accident headbutts.
     
  19. JamesBJJ.**

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    Tell the guy it was an accident if he can tforgive you thats his fuckign problem.

    You should see th eshit that happens to me lol
     
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    stu3ufc** Yoshihiro Akiyama

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    yes u are correct --- u can shrimp them --push them back wards or u can roll them in the opposite direction
     

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