The Best There Is, The Best There Was, The Best There Ever Will Be

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  1. rickdog

    rickdog Purple Belt

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    Wow, now I am going to have to admit it too, Yates was my hero as a wee lad (15 til about 18). I even had his book, "Blood and Guts". He was a pimp, back in the day. Now he can't even get in a gym, WHA????
     
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  2. Foulsmeller**

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    No they dont. In football the offense plays against the defense. They play directly against each other.

    But that is not the main issue. The real problem ( and thank you for pointing out the reason for judges, that really cleared it up for me!!) is with the 'sport" being SUBJECTIVE. Who is to say that one guys has a beeter body then another at that level? You look at Coleman and tell me there is a differance between him and Cutler? You could argue that all fucking day. Hell look at Coleman from the side, he has a fat fucking gut..

    I reject the entire notion of males comparing other males bodies. Only females should be allowed to judge and they should cast their vote by throwing their vagina at the winner,
     
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  3. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Well you're more than welcome to your opinion. But lack of physical contact and a third-party judging system does not equate to competition being indirect. If there were no scoring system I would be inclined to agree with you, and also state that every strong-man, powerlifting, and pretty much every olympic event outside of the ones that contain physical contact are also not direct competition, because one could argue that they're moreso attempting to beat a clock than beating each other. But, the clock is set, by other competitors. Just as in bodybuilding they score on a point-system and you have to out-do the other competitors. I call that direct, but that's just my perspective on it.

    The Sport has become subjective, but not for the reasons you state here. It's become subjective because of politics. However, the criteria for judging is not beyond anyone's grasp. It's not about sexual beauty per se, so the thing about women being the only ones qualified to Judge is pretty silly IMO. It's about what you can or cannot see when you look at them. Can you see muscle definition? Can you see striations? Can you see larger muscles on one guy than you do on another? Do they have better symmetry? It's as easy as looking at two guys in a gym and saying "yeah, the dude on the left is bigger and more cut than the dude on the right." That's the idealistic system they're supposed to have, but I can agree it's become clouded over the years.
     
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  4. Noskill

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    IMO subjectivity is not the problem. There is subjectivity and there are judges in every sport. Even in football, it's up to the referee to decide whether or not a pass is completed or not. And the simple fact that there are rules governing what you can call a completed pass changes nothing. The referee still has to interpret them, and you know that it is not always clear what decision to take.

    What I don't like about bodybuilding is the goal. Sure there are lots of hard work and sacrifices involved to be at the top. You gotta respect that, But why, oh why would you want to have bigger muscles if it is not to USE them? What I especially don't like is the idea of being weaker than you look. I think it must be humiliating.

    There is also the sense of vanity that comes from it: when your whole life is geared towards producing some specific thoughts in other people's mind when they see you, that seems a bit vain to me.

    Most sports are about DOING some things. Bodybuilding is about LOOKING some way.
     
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  5. Sherddog

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    BB'ers work hard, i seen the Roniie Coleman videos, his day is so repetitive, he spends all day in the gym and he eats like a horse, you may not like him but he sure works hard.
     
    Sherddog, Jan 24, 2006
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  6. krellik

    krellik Gimli son of Cisco

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    I find it funny that Ronnie Coleman is the example of how every bodybuilder works.
     
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  7. cabal

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    But Arnold still looked better than today BB and the old Ferrigno too.
     
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  8. Fedorable

    Fedorable Continues without supporting Sherdog.

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  9. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    That's a good response, but there's still that whole factor of what you have to DO to LOOK that way. That's what it's mostly about. Remember bodybuilding started as a very primal sport. It wasn't started by primadonnas and shit even though a lot of them have become that way. It was started my the same muscular jerk-off who used to kick sand in the faces of the little guys at the beach. The ones who used to go to the beach to fucking LIFT WEIGHTS. Bodybuilding as a Sport was the result of them not so much picking on wimps anymore and turning on each other. "Dude pfffft....my arms are WAY bigger than yours. Jackass."
     
    Sinister, Jan 24, 2006
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