Law The American political system is broken & sucks

[jefferz]

Bipartisan is not necessarily a bad thing.

In other countries, nothing can get done because the multiparty coalitions are always fighting each other internally.

In the entire Western World, we've limited the ability of government to achieve the necessary reforms to create a prosperous society.

Dictatorships seem to be achieving far better results than liberal democratic societies (ie. China, UAE, Qatar etc.)

Egypt, Haiti, Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and Cambodia are more great examples of dictatorships achieving far better results than liberal democratic societies.

 

[Ishaq]

Egypt, Haiti, Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and Cambodia are more great examples of dictatorships achieving far better results than liberal democratic societies.

That's a fair point. Could you add to it by giving your perspective on the failings or successes of the US political system?

 

[N13]

You bring up a good point. The original framing of the ACA had conservative roots. Romneycare was a major influence in the development of the ACA and Ryancare wasn't far off either.

When Obama had a house and senate majority during his first two years, the working class had to have at minimum a single payer option firmly in place. When you take off the rose colored glasses, you realize Obama bailed out the bankers and gave us a GOP backed healthcare plan. Combine that with the SCs favorable ruling on Citizens United in 2010, those first two years could have turned the tables in the favor of the middle class for at least a generation and instead we ended up in a bigger hole than what Dubya left us in.

Single payer is the way to go, as long as people pay their way. This is how it works with social security, they deduct the cost of Medicare from your monthly check. Also, the more you make the more it costs.

 

[Belaya Smert]

Yeah, a real calcified turd swirling the bowl of an unflushable porta potty in the dying throws of a nation. We live for this shit

 

[oldshadow]

So again, you aren't thinking this through, you are starting from a a priori position (America is the bestest) and then working backwards. You keep talking about checks and balances as if America is the only country with them, presumably because you lack knowledge of other countries.

If we're looking at freedom as a measure, the US heavily underperforms. Freedom House gives the US an 84, which puts it behind most modern democracies. If you use Cato's index, the United States barely makes the top 20, and that index much more heavily weighs "economic freedom" from a right-leaning perspective.

Same thing if we measure economic mobility, which should be a core government tenet.

Most of developed Europe has more freedom anyway you measure it, unless you think gun rights are the end all be all.

Freedom like I said is measured by different things by different people and what they want. The 1st and 2nd amendments are important and so are others.

Look at countries that have "hate speech " laws which are most. Not even going to talk about the 2nd. Tell me all about freedom of speech in Europe.

I measure by where I would want to live and I have traveled quite a bit. First in the military then as a civilian. I loved to visit but never want to live anywhere else.

Your idea of freedom is very different from mine and all the people that want to come here. Some use that freedom to try and take freedom from others.

 

[avenue94]

Freedom like I said is measured by different things by different people and what they want. The 1st and 2nd amendments are important and so are others.

Look at countries that have "hate speech " laws which are most. Not even going to talk about the 2nd. Tell me all about freedom of speech in Europe.

I measure by where I would want to live and I have traveled quite a bit. First in the military then as a civilian. I loved to visit but never want to live anywhere else.

Your idea of freedom is very different from mine and all the people that want to come here. Some use that freedom to try and take freedom from others.

If we're talking about Europe broadly, it varies. The US has more freedom of speech around hate speech and looser libel/slander laws. In exchange, you have more freedom of the press in quite a few European countries and more privacy protections.

Again, you don't even think critically bout your own county, let alone others, yet you're convinced the US has the bestest model in the world. Most of the things you claim make America's government more effective and better are huge downsides that you only support out of partisan loyalty.

There's a reason most modern democracies didn't copy half of the dumb shit built into the US' system.

 

[avenue94]

No. Unelected courts have zero authority over immigration policy. It's absurd that a federal court can dictate immigration policy over an elected executive. We might as well not elect a government and just go directly to the courts to determine policy.

The Office of the President is at its weakest(in terms of its powers) its ever been. Abe Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. That would be impossible today. The size of the executive might have grown stupendously but the power of the President has weakened significantly.

I strongly believe the systemic paralysis in the US political system is one of the core reasons China will surpass the US within the next 10-15 years. Their government just has alot more power to enact its policies and achieve its industrial reforms. I was amazed on a recent trip to China at what an industrious society they've created.

There are no homeless encampments, there are no drug addicts, there are no unemployed people. Cities are clean, efficient and modern. And manufacturing is everywhere, including high tech precision manufacturing.

As long as immigration policy implicates due process and other constitutional protections, then yes, they do. This is basic American civics, are you American?

And lol no the presidency is the strongest it has been in the modern age. That you're grasping at straws and claiming that Lincoln's unique decision to operate under martial law during a civil war is fair comparison is laughable.

Most of the systematic paralysis in the US is fixable and doesn't have to do with the executive. It's just partisanship that tends to lead to the GOP digging in its heals to protect its power (electoral college, filibuster, uncapping the House, empowering the courts even more, etc.)

Case in point, you're complaining about the courts, yet its the GOP who has fought tooth and nail to protect venue shopping, not the Democrats. In fact, up until this year they were firmly in favor of it and lower court orders being valid nationwide.

And lol what, do you have any knowledge of China, they have a higher employment rate in several key facets.

 

[oldshadow]

If we're talking about Europe broadly, it varies. The US has more freedom of speech around hate speech and looser libel/slander laws. In exchange, you have more freedom of the press in quite a few European countries and more privacy protections.

Again, you don't even think critically bout your own county, let alone others, yet you're convinced the US has the bestest model in the world. Most of the things you claim make America's government more effective and better are huge downsides that you only support out of partisan loyalty.

There's a reason most modern democracies didn't copy half of the dumb shit built into the US' system.

It "dumb shit" because it doesn't square with your liberal opinion.

It's the only country I want to live in because it has the freedoms I value. It has faults and some improvements can be made.

Hell even the democrats have a couple of good ideas but not enough for me to vote for anyone they have now.

You can disagree all you want but like I said i have traveled and even try to read and keep up with other countries. No place i would rather be then here even with the democrats trying as hard as they can to fuck it up.

Try the radio garden app if you want and do some exploring.

 

[avenue94]

It "dumb shit" because it doesn't square with your liberal opinion.

It's the only country I want to live in because it has the freedoms I value. It has faults and some improvements can be made.

Hell even the democrats have a couple of good ideas but not enough for me to vote for anyone they have now.

You can disagree all you want but like I said i have traveled and even try to read and keep up with other countries. No place i would rather be then here even with the democrats trying as hard as they can to fuck it up.

Try the radio garden app if you want and do some exploring.

Just to use the most obvious example, the electoral college, you're telling me that it's some amazing idea but literally zero other democracies use it today? Come on lol.

If you think this is the best country for you, great. But the idea that that also means there's nothing the US system can adopt from the rest of the world is pure ignorance.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

I remember when Obama took office in 2008 with control of the house and a filibuster proof senate. I voted for Obama having hope for change, but it never happened.

At least he dropped lots of bombs on the terrifying military powers of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

Surely without him, America would have been conquered by Somalia.

 

[MetaIIica]

Accident idk how to delete

 

[MetaIIica]

Yes but we gotta work with what we have. Voting blue is the only viable option until the daughter lusting bible salesman is gone.
Even if you don't necessarily agree with everything that Dems stand for, this is going to be much better than letting the red fascists have more more ounce of power.

There is absolutely nothing more important that keeping Republicans out of power. At any level at any cost. When MAGA is the alternative, Vote blue no matter who should be tattooed to all of our foreheads.

You do understand what voting blue means right? Democrats are the party of modern day racism , transgender children, mutilating children in insane sex pay for play operations, giving children sex changing pills, allowing men to dominate woman’s sports, draconian covid lockdowns which destroyed the economy, party of flooding america with 20,000,000 illegals immigrants who get free medical , housing, food, clothes which further punished American tax payers after the covid lockdowns, the party of the modern American communists and socialists, party of Islamic terrorists , party of having a dementia ridden president and pretending he’s stable , party of faking science to force us to get vaccinated, shut down businesses forever , stay in our houses and not go outside for months. The party who right after trump nearly got assassinate twice , continues to call him names such as a threat to democracy. The party were people such as Eric swalwell who dated a Chinese spy named fang fang, and people like him push similar anti American sentiments every day. You do understand that’s what you’re voting for , right? I don’t understand how anyone with more than 90IQ can say vote blue. You’re voting for insanity. If you said vote libertarian or something , I can see that, but to say vote blue I know you’re either gay or a woman.

 

[KnightTemplar]

yeah calling him toothless is sure gonna convince him to vote blue

To be fair, calling everyone who voted Red a Nazi worked out so well for them, didn't it?

 

[MetaIIica]

To be fair, calling everyone who voted Red a Nazi worked out so well for them, didn't it?

It doesn't even make sense, calling Trump a nazi is a typical low IQ move. Notice how Payton could only react to my post but they can't actually debate because they are probably trolling.

 

[oldshadow]

Just to use the most obvious example, the electoral college, you're telling me that it's some amazing idea but literally zero other democracies use it today? Come on lol.

If you think this is the best country for you, great. But the idea that that also means there's nothing the US system can adopt from the rest of the world is pure ignorance.

Yes it has different benefits even now days built into it. One of the prime things is preventing a total and bad democracy where more populated areas rule completely over other areas. Which despite what liberals in those areas believe would be a reality bad idea and end up destroying the US. We are the United States not one big federal state like most other countries.

Of course we can always look for ways to improve things and the way we are set up we can and have changed.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Removing lobbyists and SuperPACs would be a good start along with term limits for Congress

 

[MetaIIica]

Removing lobbyists and SuperPACs would be a good start along with term limits for Congress

There will always be lobbying in some form or another, it'll just be through a different name an avenue. It's just like trying to make corruption illegal....See how well that's goin.

 

[nhbbear]

Yes but we gotta work with what we have. Voting blue is the only viable option until the daughter lusting bible salesman is gone.
Even if you don't necessarily agree with everything that Dems stand for, this is going to be much better than letting the red fascists have more more ounce of power.

There is absolutely nothing more important that keeping Republicans out of power. At any level at any cost. When MAGA is the alternative, Vote blue no matter who should be tattooed to all of our foreheads.

Sorry, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. I will continue to vote for my pets until someone of worth comes along and I doubt that ever happens. We have a fucked up two party only system without a viable third option. They’re both two sides of the same fucked up coin, which is a bad penny. I look at all of our senators and politicians and I can hardly find one I would gladly vote for potus. Maybe Joe manchin at one time because he bucked the system and was in the middle, but his ass is owned by pharmaceutical companies and his daughter single handedly drove up the price of insulin. Hell, even Bernie sanders looks appealing at this point. But you’re right, our system is broken and it’s getting worse. But dems are no better. They simply answer to different masters and waste money in different ways. The problem is that politicians are all owned by outside interests and do their bidding rather than the will of the people.

 

[Ishaq]

As long as immigration policy implicates due process and other constitutional protections, then yes, they do. This is basic American civics, are you American?

And lol no the presidency is the strongest it has been in the modern age. That you're grasping at straws and claiming that Lincoln's unique decision to operate under martial law during a civil war is fair comparison is laughable.

Most of the systematic paralysis in the US is fixable and doesn't have to do with the executive. It's just partisanship that tends to lead to the GOP digging in its heals to protect its power (electoral college, filibuster, uncapping the House, empowering the courts even more, etc.)

Case in point, you're complaining about the courts, yet its the GOP who has fought tooth and nail to protect venue shopping, not the Democrats. In fact, up until this year they were firmly in favor of it and lower court orders being valid nationwide.

And lol what, do you have any knowledge of China, they have a higher employment rate in several key facets.

What due process? Foreign aliens have no right to remain in America. It's a privilege to remain in the US and that privilege may be withdrawn at any time. What we are seeing is judicial tyranny against the will of the American electorate.

The Presidency is extremely weak and rendered useless by the courts.

What does uncapping the House achieve? More worthless bureacrats living off taxpayer dollars? We should shrink the house by a factor of 3.

You have no idea what you are talking about vis a vis China.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Yes but we gotta work with what we have. Voting blue is the only viable option until the daughter lusting bible salesman is gone.
Even if you don't necessarily agree with everything that Dems stand for, this is going to be much better than letting the red fascists have more more ounce of power.

There is absolutely nothing more important that keeping Republicans out of power. At any level at any cost. When MAGA is the alternative, Vote blue no matter who should be tattooed to all of our foreheads.

Thankfully I live in the real world and not the online cesspool you try to exist in
I’ve got 3 gen z and 1 gen a
I’ve witnessed the disdain that they and their friends have for the forced ideological bullshit that keeps getting shoved in their faces
Don’t count on the younger gen for support as long as the clowns at the top of the Democratic Party keep up the rhetoric
Stay strong, Sister