Thai Boxing/tae bo

[KAYNE]

Alright. I was training tonight and I was working out with a guy from eastern europe we are doing some pad work etc we do some conditioning and we are done. He says is that it? I said yeah thats it. He says there is no one showing techniques? I said uhmmm no. He says This is not learning Muay thai this is like tae bo. I said well what did you train before? He says Krav Maga. Now I dont have any experience in Krav Maga but the guys punches etc are pretty good. He then asked me if there was a shower. I said no. He said is there a hose? I said yeah but it will be cold! He kinda shook his head and left. Does he have a point??? We did 2 rounds jump rope 3 rounds of bag work and 2 rounds of pad work then did pushups and burpees. I have my own opinions on this but I am wondering what others think.

 

[sambayless]

he must want to be instructed more. is he new to muay thai

 

[Payak]

who was holding the pads,someone should be correcting you technique on the pads,
a new guy should have someone showing him something.
should be doing conditioning and technique.

 

[KAYNE]

I was holding pads for him he knew the punches and kicks. But there is a trend in the us (at least at the gyms I have been too) That students exclusively hold pads for students. If you are lucky you get recognized and get to hook up with other students/fighters that are good and can give you a more dynamic pad workout. If not.... You are with some guy that this is his 2nd month and he is scared to death.

 

[DrBdan]

Where are you training? Was this in a class format or just training on your own?

 

[Kenny Wu]

If this was a class format, then he has a point. Not anyone can just grab pads and teach you the correct technique. There should be some instructing going on.

Kravmaga is an amazing fight technique but not meant for MMA since it also has many illegal moves in its arsenal, it is meant for war and used by the Israelis.


Thanks,
Kenny

 

[KAYNE]

It was a class format. I am training at a pretty well known gym that is really very crowded. The owner just isnt very active in teaching classes these days it seems. I dont know I keep thinking it is me with the problem but at Fairtex they show you a technique and then you work it into combinations here it is 1st round bag work Kicks only. 2nd round bag work hands only, 3rd round bagwork hands and feet. Pad work the guy that was running the class shows a really basic combination then says do that five times then open rounds.

I guess I keep thinking that instructors should be more involved and in the gyms I have been to lately they just arent.

 

[mschatz]

Personally, I don't think anyone should be complaining about anything in their first class at a place. From my own experience, I know some trainers give their guys easy days or hard days depending on what is coming down the pipeline competition-wise.

If you are consistently doing the exact same routine, without any feedback from an instructor, then I would definitely think that that is a problem.

I am a bit spoiled right now because my gym has fight teams that are managed by different coaches. I work specifically with the same guy every day, and he knows who has fights coming up, when they have them, what people need to work on, etc. We get feedback at every point of the session, from shadow boxing, to mitts, to sparring, to whatever else. That, in my mind, is the way a gym should be ran.

Most gyms I have visited are not that way. It's expensive to maintain a gym these days, and the guys who are training to fight arent usually the people who have the money to pay your bills. That's why a lot of former "old-school" gyms like Gleasons now offers "classes." Even if these are a tough workout, the attention of the trainer is getting diluted across a bunch of different people, depending on how many people are in that class. I do not think this is ideal, although it is a sad reality in most of today's fight gyms.

All that being said, the gym you are training at seems to be completely hands-off, even from the modern gym situation.

 

[KAYNE]

Personally, I don't think anyone should be complaining about anything in their first class at a place. From my own experience, I know some trainers give their guys easy days or hard days depending on what is coming down the pipeline competition-wise.

If you are consistently doing the exact same routine, without any feedback from an instructor, then I would definitely think that that is a problem.

I am a bit spoiled right now because my gym has fight teams that are managed by different coaches. I work specifically with the same guy every day, and he knows who has fights coming up, when they have them, what people need to work on, etc. We get feedback at every point of the session, from shadow boxing, to mitts, to sparring, to whatever else. That, in my mind, is the way a gym should be ran.

Most gyms I have visited are not that way. It's expensive to maintain a gym these days, and the guys who are training to fight arent usually the people who have the money to pay your bills. That's why a lot of former "old-school" gyms like Gleasons now offers "classes." Even if these are a tough workout, the attention of the trainer is getting diluted across a bunch of different people, depending on how many people are in that class. I do not think this is ideal, although it is a sad reality in most of today's fight gyms.

All that being said, the gym you are training at seems to be completely hands-off, even from the modern gym situation.

This is all pretty true imo. Now with that the guys with fights coming up get the majority of the attention. While the class gets little. I think this is why Fairtex and I think F&F have a block of time dedicated to fighters. They get the attention they need and the class gets the attention it needs. How many guys are on your fight team? How many guys does Paris oversee in one "class"?

 

[mschatz]

This is all pretty true imo. Now with that the guys with fights coming up get the majority of the attention. While the class gets little. I think this is why Fairtex and I think F&F have a block of time dedicated to fighters. They get the attention they need and the class gets the attention it needs. How many guys are on your fight team? How many guys does Paris oversee in one "class"?

Well, I'm at 3rd Street Gym, which is entirely dedicated to boxing. I have only followed Paris over to FnF a couple times, so I can't comment too much on how they do things there.

At 3rd St., Paris's team consists of about 8-10 guys, and there are typically 3-5 guys there at any one time. Ramon Acosto has the other boxing team there, and he has a bit more going on at any one time. Maybe 10-12 at once. He has some guys hitting the bags, some shadow boxing, some doing conditioning, etc., but he is giving critique to each as he sees fit. Everyone with Paris is doing the same things at the same time. Just a difference in coaching styles combined with differing quantities of trainees.

 

[KAYNE]

Maybe i should go talk to Bunkard. It is just kinda far for me I am in the far east bay. Aahh well I got 3 more months where I am at I guess I can make the most of it.

As far as the ukraine? Well see if he is there tomorrow!
I think there is a trend in these places of being more geared towards Calisthenics and less towards actual fighting. While I think pushups etc are fine I think if I am going to a boxing/thai boxing gym the primary focus should be on fighting 1st pushups 2nd.

Jeez now I am just bitching!

 

[Jooba]

I dunno about your gym but my instructor watches us when on Thai pads and corrects our techniques. Sometimes he trains us personally if not that many people show up to class. And that dude said he trained Krav Maga? I did that stuff for a while and its totally overrated garbage.

 

[Payak]

If your holding the pads for each other and getting no instruction from your teacher,you are teaching yourself.
you will learn nothing.

 

[Centaur]

The way I usually do it:

Warm up. Some sort of instructional technique, which everyone practices and the instructor goes to each student and makes sure they;re doing it right. Then you build on that technique and again, the instructor goes around and fine tunes everything. Then partner drills or pad rounds using those techniques, End with a hard 10-15 minutes of conditioning that may or may not uses those techniques and stretch out.

That's how beginners classes are run at my place. After that I stay for an hour and hold pads for anyone who wants to stay. I work for 1 to 3 rounds in a row with each guy, and as they go to the next station (usually heavy bag or another pad holder) I tell them what they did well and what they need to practice.

The instructor should spend every minute possible watching and teaching the student.

 

[Centaur]

Maybe i should go talk to Bunkard. It is just kinda far for me I am in the far east bay. Aahh well I got 3 more months where I am at I guess I can make the most of it.

As far as the ukraine? Well see if he is there tomorrow!
I think there is a trend in these places of being more geared towards Calisthenics and less towards actual fighting. While I think pushups etc are fine I think if I am going to a boxing/thai boxing gym the primary focus should be on fighting 1st pushups 2nd.

Jeez now I am just bitching!

Bunkard is awesome! I shared the same dressing room with him and his fighter and from what I saw, and what I've heard, you can't go wrong training with him, Plus he's super nice and funny.

 

[millasur]

Just as we appear to be sharign class experiences lol - We usually have a class of 8-10, and we hold pads for each other, after instructor shows us with a student.

Then as we're drilling it, he walks around and looks at everyone, correcting them based on how much they need it. Could just be a word or two, could be stopping and showing the person again exactly how to do it and why.

If people are true true beginners (or girls, they seem to be more scared in general of it which i can understand its a very male class), then we (the other students) will try to help them and correct their technique, but the instructor still gives them time.

 

[KAYNE]

The way I usually do it:

Warm up. Some sort of instructional technique, which everyone practices and the instructor goes to each student and makes sure they;re doing it right. Then you build on that technique and again, the instructor goes around and fine tunes everything. Then partner drills or pad rounds using those techniques, End with a hard 10-15 minutes of conditioning that may or may not uses those techniques and stretch out.

That's how beginners classes are run at my place. After that I stay for an hour and hold pads for anyone who wants to stay. I work for 1 to 3 rounds in a row with each guy, and as they go to the next station (usually heavy bag or another pad holder) I tell them what they did well and what they need to practice.

The instructor should spend every minute possible watching and teaching the student.

This is how it was at fairtex. Alot of pad work a then bag work and conditioning at the end but Jongsanon showed a technique at the beginning of every class and then we used that in a combination.

 

[KAYNE]

Bunkard is awesome! I shared the same dressing room with him and his fighter and from what I saw, and what I've heard, you can't go wrong training with him, Plus he's super nice and funny.

He seems really nice and I have only talked to him once. I like the smaller atmosphere at his gym while I think it can be crowded 15 people there is crowded you know? Plus there is a ring right there. (the place I am training at does not have a ring) Which is another big bonus!

 

[KAYNE]

Just as we appear to be sharign class experiences lol - We usually have a class of 8-10, and we hold pads for each other, after instructor shows us with a student.

Then as we're drilling it, he walks around and looks at everyone, correcting them based on how much they need it. Could just be a word or two, could be stopping and showing the person again exactly how to do it and why.

If people are true true beginners (or girls, they seem to be more scared in general of it which i can understand its a very male class), then we (the other students) will try to help them and correct their technique, but the instructor still gives them time.

The scared thing made me laugh! Because of my size people usually run for the hills when we partner up. So I get this new guy and he looks like he is going to pee himself. First combination with the thai pads he isnt ready for the kick and hits himself in the eye which makes his contact fall out! I tried hard not to laugh at the poor guy. But it was funny!

 

[OZ!]

Alright. I was training tonight and I was working out with a guy from eastern europe we are doing some pad work etc we do some conditioning and we are done. He says is that it? I said yeah thats it. He says there is no one showing techniques? I said uhmmm no. He says This is not learning Muay thai this is like tae bo. I said well what did you train before? He says Krav Maga. Now I dont have any experience in Krav Maga but the guys punches etc are pretty good. He then asked me if there was a shower. I said no. He said is there a hose? I said yeah but it will be cold! He kinda shook his head and left. Does he have a point??? We did 2 rounds jump rope 3 rounds of bag work and 2 rounds of pad work then did pushups and burpees. I have my own opinions on this but I am wondering what others think.

This is a common trait in American gyms. No technique training(technique training is not the same as punching or kicking a bag and getting a critique), just pad work and bag work with stretching and exercises in between. In most other places you still do forms and open air technique training(teaches control and balance. Hitting a bag doesn't), then all their exercises, drills, bag work and then body hardening/conditioning(different from push ups and sit ups). The point of cold water was his way of getting some body hardening training in and since he did MA in Europe he is probably used to the full deal and was confused. (BTW, don't knock forms. The Thais still do them. Even guys like Baukaw and Yod). Its just different. People are going to claim one way is better than others but I would rather just look at the stats. Last American K1 champ? Thai Champ? There is something to be said for that old school shit. :icon_chee Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with your school, it just means its a different type of school with a different aim.