Yeah, I'm not expecting you to. If you're an actual conservative, I don't expect you to vote Democrat. I'm trying to reach the guys who like left-wing policies but hate identity politics. We need to win them over or win them back...
Left wing policies have been pretty atrocious, and so have right wing. I just want something in the middle for as long as we can get away with it. We might be at the breaking point now.
See, you're still missing the bigger picture. For all those years and even now, the people who said and say these things don't claim that they're being racist. They don't care that the black guy who works in banking isn't the same guy that robbed a liquor store, yet it hasn't stopped them from speaking in these broad generalities. Why is that banking guy on the hook for something that some gangbanger did?
I think on certain policies, the left-wing position is objectively better and all of the metrics bear this out. A perfect example would be healthcare. A right-wing poster on here who's from outside the US said that there's a reason why countries that have universal healthcare NEVER go back to the US model once they have UHC. Even the right-wing parties there don't dare get rid of these policies because they fucking work and the people know they work. I support these types of populist policies. I don't support the post-Occupy divisive identity politics that frankly neoliberals pushed on us because they were scared of what a united 99% would do to the elites.
I understand. The way I see it is that you can keep the black vote by giving them policies and rhetoric that is fair to them, keep/win back the white working class with the same thing. The problem is that the Democratic establishment and corporate Democrats are only comfortable with virtue signaling and faux feminist and cultural left talking points instead of actual left-wing policy positions. That's what happens when both sides are trying to please corporate donors and they win either way no matter who gets elected. The democrats seem like the Washington Generals sometimes.
I’d have to assume that Eugene Debbs and Willian Jennings Bryan would be squarely in today’s Republican Party. They’d take one look at what’s going on in today’s perverse society and have a fit.
Bryan perhaps. Debs would be a Kyle Kulinski type leftist. There's a reason why there was a split between Debs and Bryan and their supporters. Bryan was much more religiously and socially conservative and Debs was also further to the left on economic issues
I believe Debbs would be a me style right wing populist. Which means you are socialist and communist with smatterings of free enterprise here and there.
I don't know what world you're living in. Bernie Sanders is a great admirer of Debs and is carrying on his legacy. Leftists consider him to be a hero. Meanwhile, right wingers, assuming they've even heard of him, consider him to be a commie bastard. You're NEVER going to get good policies on economic issues and healthcare from the right, and honestly if you get in the way of the left trying to get them, that just shows you never really believed in them.
You absolutely can get that from the right wing. It’s happened many times in history. It just has to be a populist right wing party.
Thats been obvious for a long time
"Those darn old white men".
That might be. UHC is one of the least objectionable left wing proposals, but it does bug me that nobody is willing to be honest about the cost or any of the drawbacks. Everybody who supports it cites a mercatus study claiming it would save money, when that is not what it said and the author of the study specifically wrote a separate article for people to stop claiming it said what it didn't say.
