i have to disagree, the only person who put leben was SILVA; the guy who has crushed everyone he has hit, hendo/franklin/marquardt/fryklund all LEVELED as soon as he put them thangs on him.
leben is the only guy silva put down, who got back up and came back for more; rich got saved by the bell.
other than the silva fight, leben has shown an innate ability to soak up abuse; cote couldn't move him, he walked through santiago's shots, he walked through swicks, walked through radach, walked through starnes, and sakara's, rivera. Martin rocked him and actually backed him up; but alot of that was him gassing, part of it was martins power.
radach, santiago, rivera, cote, martin are known punchers/ko guys; an they couldn't do jack sh8t w/leben, an the only reason he beat them is cus he was able to absorb their best CLEAN shots until he could eff execute the counter, leben knows how to counter. But his tech and ability to apply is suspect; but his chin lets him survive til then...
his power isn't crushing, part of that is poor execution and set up; he is so damned telegraphed. but to me that legitimizes his power. Cus unlike other faster or slicker or tech guys, u see all lebens shots coming and u know exactly what he is gonna do in a fight; yet he keeps laying guys down, most ko shots are ones u don't see. Which shot did leben ever throw that u me the fighter coach trainer commentator and blind guy not see. Exactly... Leben has some power..
not saying ur not making some points w/validity; but i think ur selling my man short a lil
