TEOFIMO LOPEZ & WING CHUN KUNG? CAN IT HELP HIS BOXING?

[Tim Witherspoon]

 

[TheMaster]

Inside fighting
Close range parrying and countering of wing Chun


There's already been some discussion of the subject


Yes it can be done, in fact the way MMA striking has evolved has become more 'wing chun' like over the years whether they want to acknowledge it or not.



Anderson Silva also credited his Wing Chun training in helping him throughout his career

 

[Sinister]

I severely doubt it would help Teofimo Lopez.

 

[DoctorTaco]

I’m sure Sifu Paul is a good dude but are there cliffs? Has Lopez trained WC, worked with a WC trainer or is he using boxing techniques that are also found in WC?

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

I severely doubt it would help Teofimo Lopez.

I gotta agree that fight with Kambosos kinda ruined Teo.

 

[Tim Witherspoon]

Inside fighting
Close range parrying and countering of wing Chun


There's already been some discussion of the subject


Yes it can be done, in fact the way MMA striking has evolved has become more 'wing chun' like over the years whether they want to acknowledge it or not.



Anderson Silva also credited his Wing Chun training in helping him throughout his career

Love this!!! I would love to have a discussion on this...great topic! Are you open to coming on my channel to discuss how MMA striking has evolved some Wing Chun. Great topic

 

[Tim Witherspoon]

I’m sure Sifu Paul is a good dude but are there cliffs? Has Lopez trained WC, worked with a WC trainer or is he using boxing techniques that are also found in WC?

I do not believe he has, but he told me and I have it on video that he developed his stance from watching Bruce lee so it could be possible https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pEapUfxf1RA

 

[shincheckin]

Love this!!! I would love to have a discussion on this...great topic! Are you open to coming on my channel to discuss how MMA striking has evolved some Wing Chun. Great topic

I think this is much more applicable to anything WC has to offer, although it's basic hand trapping already found in boxing. This is where any sort of crossover or benefit from WC would be IMO.




Phillip Bayer's clip has some good, push, pull, and trips that I liked. You can find some, somewhat similar movements in Muay Thai.

IMO what a WC guy would excel in if he took up boxing or MT, would he'd be better than average at using boxing/MT style hand trapping. Once learned.

Simply put, someone who practices overly complicated hand trapping regularly, is probably going to shine in the (basic) hand trapping department

@TheMaster you should hop on this. Give you a good chance to share your thoughts on the subject.

 

[noc]

I do not believe he has, but he told me and I have it on video that he developed his stance from watching Bruce lee so it could be possible https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pEapUfxf1RA

Bruce didn't used the WC stance

 

[TheMaster]

Bruce didn't used the WC stance

The Wing Chun influence was there though. He basically made his own stance, an amalgam of what he learned in WC with what he learned later from boxing and kickboxing.

He favoured the power hand lead


His primary WC teacher Wong Shun Leung did likewise

 

[noc]

The Wing Chun influence was there though. He basically made his own stance, an amalgam of what he learned in WC with what he learned later from boxing and kickboxing.

He favoured the power hand lead
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His primary WC teacher Wong Shun Leung did likewise
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Everybody in WC does the stance Wong did?

A student of Wong said that Wong learned from Bruce too.. so maybe is that, inspired in Bruce
I saw another student of him showing something and talking about interception basically, Bruce took the interception idea from Fencing. Also i saw a footwork Wong did that i didnt see in other WC people.. footwork found in JKD
That pic of Bruce is from 1967 i think, he changed a bit that stance. JKD was constanly changing

 

[DoctorTaco]

JKD was constanly changing

it still is.

Any time a UFC fighter wins a fight with strikes, the technique in question gets added to the WC curriculum and lore.

jab? That’s wing chun. Elbows? You know it. Front kicks? Side kicks? Over hands? Left hooks? All part of the Tao of wing chun now.

 

[TheMaster]

Everybody in WC does the stance Wong did?

Any legit school will do the stance like that yes. It's in the second form. Weight more on rear leg but not totally, front foot forward able to step and kick, feet slightly separated. It's pretty much the standard fighting stance.

No one thinks you fight with the triangle stance, that is for leg strengthening mainly although it can be used in close or again adapted slightly with one leg more in front which is how Bruce trained it even when doing chi sau.

 

[Woldog]

The Wing Chun influence was there though. He basically made his own stance, an amalgam of what he learned in WC with what he learned later from boxing and kickboxing.

He favoured the power hand lead
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His primary WC teacher Wong Shun Leung did likewise
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I favour a power lead hand as well. Today I learned I am indeed a Wing Chun master.

 

[DoctorTaco]

I favour a power lead hand as well. Today I learned I am indeed a Wing Chun master.

i for one am ready to travel and learn your mystic ways

 

[Woldog]

i for one am ready to travel and learn your mystic ways

I will teach you my signature move the lead overhand.

On topic though, what exactly is wrong with Lopez and why does he need Wing Chun to potentially help his boxing?

 

[DoctorTaco]

I will teach you my signature move the lead overhand.

On topic though, what exactly is wrong with Lopez and why does he need Wing Chun to potentially help his boxing?

had a southpaw years ago who threw a fantastic lead overhand.

 

[noc]

Any legit school will do the stance like that yes. It's in the second form. Weight more on rear leg but not totally, front foot forward able to step and kick, feet slightly separated. It's pretty much the standard fighting stance.

No one thinks you fight with the triangle stance, that is for leg strengthening mainly although it can be used in close or again adapted slightly with one leg more in front which is how Bruce trained it even when doing chi sau.

I don't see it in the second form
I heard he made changes in a form after a loss
Boztepe school does the triangle stance and probably Leung Ting too

it still is.

Any time a UFC fighter wins a fight with strikes, the technique in question gets added to the WC curriculum and lore.

jab? That’s wing chun. Elbows? You know it. Front kicks? Side kicks? Over hands? Left hooks? All part of the Tao of wing chun now.

JKD is not Wing Chun

 

[DoctorTaco]

I don't see it in the second form
I heard he made changes in a form after a loss
Boztepe school does the triangle stance and probably Leung Ting too



JKD is not Wing Chun

it is when it works

 

[TheMaster]

I don't see it in the second form

That's because you clearly don't know anything about Wing Chun. Why talk when you don't know?
Forward stance with lead lead leg as pictured is in the second form Chum Kiu. This is also considered the fighting stance.

Any time a UFC fighter wins a fight with strikes, the technique in question gets added to the WC curriculum and lore.

More like anything that works is assumed by you not to be wing Chun, or at least the fantasy cardboard version of it in your head.

jab? That’s wing chun.

Nope, not wing chun

Elbows? You know it.

Um, yes they are. Have always been and are trained extensively.

Front kicks?

Yes. Use your brain and look at the stance pictured, it's set up for a front kick or oblique/knee stomp kick.

Side kicks?

Yes, it's in the wooden dummy form

Over hands?

Not really.
But palm striks can come down from above so there is an 'overhand' motion that can be done with the palm not the punch, in my opinion is works a lot better bare knuckle.
You overhand me without gloves and it connects wrong there's a good chance you break your little hands.

Left hooks? All part of the Tao of wing chun now.

Actually always was but seldom used. WC is famous for the straight punch. Yet there is a hook used in Wing Chun but different use tactically than in boxing, and comes from off line.
Watch and update your database of what is real Wing Chun.


However if a Wing Chun man wants to employ the WC hook punch from a non typical position (ie in front facing) he is free to do so as long as he realizes the risk. If opponent is totally covered up may be one reason.