Ted Cruz tells O’Reilly he would round up and deport all 12 million

Send Cruz back and build a wall to keep him out.
 
you know you're a brown noser if you like a post that has nothing to do with the thread
Pretty sure that's a wink breaking my balls, dude. Otherwise you haven't been paying attention. Byron in particular is the OPPOSITE of obsequious in regard to me.
 
How is it that Clinton and Sanders are having the "promises they can't keep" dialogue and not these geniuses? There's a better chance of Sanders passing single-payer, free public college, and deeming the first day of the week Socialism Sunday than 12 million illegal immigrants getting "rounded up" and deported.

Illegals pay more into the system than they take out. Poor, uneducated Republican voters is the problem.
Cruz has been hardcore anti-immigration for a while. On the contrary, Rubio, historically, showed a willingness to work out legislation that would grant amnesty (for most) in exchange for increasing the fence line in the most heavily trafficked parts of the border, and beefing up security and deportation elsewhere. He was also wisely against sanctuary cities.

This is one of the reasons I liked him as a Republican. He was working middle of the road compromises that made sense, that were balanced, that acknowledged that most of the millions of immigrants already here are providing a net positive impact to the country (quite beautiful cited in here by Japman), but also acknowledge that we needed to do more to secure the border, and to stem immigration from Mexico not just because of the cartel connection, but moreso because it was fair to immigrants from OTHER countries (such as Cuba) who also struggle to gain a berth in this country.

Here's your silver lining. You know how people always say politicians lie? That's because most people only pay attention during campaigns. That's not who you're electing. You're electing the politician they've been. Sometimes you elect them around issues where you know the politician they're going to be. I actually supported sustained occupation in Afghanistan and Pakistan (not the way we executed it), so many of my friends didn't understand why I would vote for Obama."He's gonna pull out the troops, Madmick".
"No, he won't. Watch."
So I sacrificed nothing there. Dems/Republicans have all been the same on that front the past 35 years. Gotta maintain security in the energy sector.

Immigration is a major issue to Trump. It isn't a major issue to Rubio. He's pandering. He's being malleable. When he gets into office he won't squander his political capital on such a massive undertaking when it's not something about which he's passionate.
 
The problem isn't these poor, uneducated folks coming to our country.

The problem is the fucking benefits the left feel so inclined to hand out to everyone.

If they come to this country, that's fine, but we can't provide school/health-care/$15 minimum wage for illegal immigrants.

Stop giving them free shit, and they will stop coming here illegally.


And just to pre-empt to typical sick liberals who post here, NO, they are not entitled to go to school with my children. No green-card? Don't go to school. They drag down the education level.

You do realize illegal immigrants cannot get welfare, food stamps, social security or anything like that right?

So what free shit are you talking about?
 
The problem isn't these poor, uneducated folks coming to our country.

The problem is the fucking benefits the left feel so inclined to hand out to everyone.

If they come to this country, that's fine, but we can't provide school/health-care/$15 minimum wage for illegal immigrants.

Stop giving them free shit, and they will stop coming here illegally.


And just to pre-empt to typical sick liberals who post here, NO, they are not entitled to go to school with my children. No green-card? Don't go to school. They drag down the education level.
I just went through the liberal handbook, and it has deemed you a racist.

You're a racist, so your opinion is invalid.
 
Obama ran in 2008 on stepping up the campaign in Afghanistan.

http://obamawatch.wikidot.com/expand-u-s-forces-in-afghanistan
Yes, my apologies. I got it backwards. The pullout was from Iraq (which I didn't support, but didn't effectively happen until just several years ago). I didn't, however, want to be in Iraq in the first place. Well, I didn't want to occupy it. I just wanted to depose Saddam, find the so-called WMD's, and GTFO. Bush had other plans.

I wanted to be in Afghanistan/Pakistan which is why I supported his desire to shift the focus there. But after all we had invested in Iraq it was disheartening to see us let it all unravel.
 
The two biggest cons pulled on the American public is immigration and getting the middle class to hate the poor.
Our country does not have massive debt because some dude bought a steak with his food stamps. You want to fix welfare, only allow a person who is physically able to only be on it 3 out of 5 years. That is plenty of time to get your shit together and welfare should not be a permanent solution.
The first politician that says it will be a $10,000 dollar fine for every illegal worker, then I will know they are serious about illegal immigration. My uncle was a higher ups at a chicken plant in Delaware. He told me that they would get word immigration was coming and the plant would be empty that day. I worked in a restaurant a couple guys worked under the same social. You make it that illegals don't have jobs they go home. The businesses will never be fined because bribery is legal, and our government works for them.
Cruz and Trump are just fear mongering to the sheep who are too stupid to see the con.
 
Yes, my apologies. I got it backwards. The pullout was from Iraq (which I didn't support, but didn't effectively happen until just several years ago). I didn't, however, want to be in Iraq in the first place. Well, I didn't want to occupy it. I just wanted to depose Saddam, find the so-called WMD's, and GTFO. Bush had other plans.

I wanted to be in Afghanistan/Pakistan which is why I supported his desire to shift the focus there. But after all we had invested in Iraq it was disheartening to see us let it all unravel.

Sure. It wasn't really central to what you were saying, but I just thought I'd clarify since I remember having that argument before with other people and looking it up.
 
You do realize illegal immigrants cannot get welfare, food stamps, social security or anything like that right?

So what free shit are you talking about?
anchor babies/children in general. Your kid doesnt even need citizenship..... there are many programs that will not look for birth records or have lax requirements by design. Free health care, some programs like wic, schooling.... that's basically welfare.
 
The two biggest cons pulled on the American public is immigration and getting the middle class to hate the poor.
Our country does not have massive debt because some dude bought a steak with his food stamps. You want to fix welfare, only allow a person who is physically able to only be on it 3 out of 5 years. That is plenty of time to get your shit together and welfare should not be a permanent solution.
The first politician that says it will be a $10,000 dollar fine for every illegal worker, then I will know they are serious about illegal immigration. My uncle was a higher ups at a chicken plant in Delaware. He told me that they would get word immigration was coming and the plant would be empty that day. I worked in a restaurant a couple guys worked under the same social. You make it that illegals don't have jobs they go home. The businesses will never be fined because bribery is legal, and our government works for them.
Cruz and Trump are just fear mongering to the sheep who are too stupid to see the con.
yes, and if they file a legit I-9 form then what? The employer doesnt verify immigration status, USCIS does.
 
Jesus, yes I believe everything I vet through sources that are more credible than a bald assumption from some moron on the internet.

How exactly do you think employers reconcile their federal taxes without reporting all laborers? If they don't report a SSN, fake or stolen, they get busted for tax evasion and it's too expensive for some employers to verify the identity of all employees, especially if they are working under the name on the SSN.

If you don't believe that 8 million of 12 million pay federal and state income tax, check Forbes. Is Forbes credible enough of a source for you, shit for brains? How about the SSA? https://www.socialsecurity.gov/oact/NOTES/pdf_notes/note151.pdf

Did you ever read those analyses?

I was curious in the past about these claims, and read the reports. They are premised on a hilarious concatenation of data-free assumptions, few of which are plausible. Quoting from that article, as an example:

"OCACT assumes that other immigrants are as likely to work as legal permanent residents of the same age and sex. The estimated number of other immigrants working is 8.3 million in 2010. OCACT estimates 0.6 million of the 8.3 million other immigrant workers in 2010 had temporary work authorized at some point in the past and have overstayed the term of their visas. In addition, OCACT estimates that 0.7 million unauthorized workers in 2010 obtained fraudulent birth certificates at some point in the past and these birth certificates allowed the workers to get an SSN. Combining these two groups with the 1.3 million current visa holders with temporary authorization, we estimate 2.7 million other immigrants have SSNs in their name and thus can work, pay taxes, and have earnings credited to their record for potential benefits in the future. OCACT estimates 1.8 million other immigrants worked and used an SSN that did not match their name in 2010. Their earnings may be credited to someone else’s record (when the SSN and name submitted to the employer match Social Security records) or may be credited to the Earnings Suspense File (when submitted with non-matching SSN and name). Finally, OCACT estimates 3.9 million other immigrants worked in the underground economy in 2010."

These figures are routinely presented as some sort of hard data, when in reality you might as well throw darts at a board. And then you ask what amount of benefits are paid out, and the random guessing intensifies even further. Again, from that same article:

"Estimating the portion of all 2010 OASDI benefit payments that will be based on prior unauthorized earnings is even more problematic than estimating current unauthorized earnings. In general, we believe that the evidence indicates a relatively small portion of those who potentially could draw benefits do so. The principal category of unauthorized immigrants who can currently draw a Social Security benefit includes those who have overstayed visas, or obtained an SSN through illegitimate means. For January 1, 2010, we estimate that there were 720 thousand other immigrants aged 62 and over. Assuming: (1) about 25 percent of these immigrants meet the insured requirements and have a functional SSN matching their name; and (2) they have a monthly benefit level about half the average, we estimate about 180 thousand beneficiaries received roughly $1 billion in benefits in 2010."

Two things. At almost every level the gov'ts figures are jimmied towards making repeated unsupported assumptions that help establish that (a) they aren't throwing tons of money away; and (b) illegal immigrants aren't massively tax dodging, but rather pay taxes at a rate that should be assumed equivalent, except where proven otherwise.

Let me give a final example, from your own post, of how utterly fuck-tarded and detached from reality the government's proclamations are on this subject.

"Question: Of the unauthorized workers paying OASDI taxes, what is the average level of earnings upon which the taxes are levied and how does that level compare with the broader U.S. labor force?
Response: We assume the average level of taxable earnings for these unauthorized workers equals about 80 percent of the average level for all workers. For 2010, we estimate this average level for these unauthorized workers to be about $34,000."

Really? You assume *80%* is the differential? Even setting aside the random quasi-magical out-of-a-hat guesswork status of this percentage, 80% *earned* is laughably high relative to what one would expect for legal workers, and then you have to ask what is actually *reported* of that illegal v. legal income, relative to actually earned, and here again the gov't consistently assumes it is the same reporting ratio ("why not? are you saying illegal workers are any less likely to report their income? That's prejudiced!"), which makes one weep enormous tears of laughter if one has any familiarity with how such income is actually reported. You might as well assume that all those family-owned urban restaurants are accurately reporting all their income; this kind of willful stupidity exceeds criminal status, it achieves 'governmental' status.
 
Sure. It wasn't really central to what you were saying, but I just thought I'd clarify since I remember having that argument before with other people and looking it up.
Didn't he campaign on pulling out of Afghanistan/Pakistan subsequently in 2012? Maybe that's where I got mixed up. You were right that I was in my head in 2008.
 
anchor babies/children in general. Your kid doesnt even need citizenship..... there are many programs that will not look for birth records or have lax requirements by design. Free health care, some programs like wic, schooling.... that's basically welfare.

Well unless you want to change the Constitution, those children are citizens.
 
Didn't he campaign on pulling out of Afghanistan/Pakistan subsequently in 2012? Maybe that's where I got mixed up. You were right that I was in my head in 2008.

I think 2014 was the target date for getting out of Afghanistan, and stepping up the campaign in the short run along with a few other things was part of that.
 
12 million lol more like 40 million
Last time I checked into this the reputable estimates ranged from 12m-30m, but it seemed that most sober resources gravitated towards the lower figures (which surprised me).
 
yes, and if they file a legit I-9 form then what? The employer doesnt verify immigration status, USCIS does.

ARe you so naïve to think employers do not know they are hiring illegals?
I have seen it personally. Shit happens all the time. I live in Florida, I have a business that works with builders. 75% the dudes on the job site are illegals. Its rampant because our politicians get up there and say they are going to build a wall or deport anyone with brown skin, but nobody wants to do anything about businesses hiring illegals. LIke I said, that is the answer to the problem.
 
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