Techs to enter clinch without utilizing strikes from outside, while avoiding them

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What are some techs to enter the clinch without utilizing strikes from outside, and while avoiding getting struck from outside? This would be most useful for judoka, and wrestlers. Does bjj have any special way of doing this? I remember seeing some old vids of their fights and they keep their hands low, lean back, and then just bull rush their opponants. I am hoping for something less sloppy and uncoordinated.
 
Imagine you and your partner standing in conventional stances, just outside of striking range, waiting for the opportunity to attack.

You step in with a short shuffle into clinching range. Your rear hand extends out straight, attempting to push your opponent's lead hand into his face. You turn at the waist just a little, basically squaring up, so that you can reach.

Your lead hand combs your hair, raising your elbow so that it points directly at his nose.

Your head is now covered by your raised, lead elbow against his rear hook, your pointed elbow against his straight punch, and you right cheek is protected by your right shoulder and extended right arm. If he throws a teep, then you get teeped. If he throws a lead hook, you just hide behind that arm. If he stays still, he gets his face punched out by your elbow.

Once you hit, probably with one hand pushed into his face and his other cupping your elbow, hammerfist your lead hand, the one in elbow position, down on top of his head, skimming his ear, and landing in a collar tie. Your rear hand glances off his face and joins to make the double collar tie if you can.

I know you asked for something that doesn't use strikes. This one does and doesn't. They aren't suppose to get elbowed in the face, but I can see how it could happen.
 
It's tough to have a good answer for this question. I'm wondering why you want to enter the clinch without hitting him when he can hit you.

Yodwicha (a strong clincher) clinched up with Saenchai every few seconds for the whole fight. If you watch it though, he typically starts with punches and then falls in.
 
It's tough to have a good answer for this question. I'm wondering why you want to enter the clinch without hitting him when he can hit you.

Yodwicha (a strong clincher) clinched up with Saenchai every few seconds for the whole fight. If you watch it though, he typically starts with punches and then falls in.

i guess he could refer to Ronda Rousey's method of getting into the clinch.
 
It's tough to have a good answer for this question. I'm wondering why you want to enter the clinch without hitting him when he can hit you.

Yodwicha (a strong clincher) clinched up with Saenchai every few seconds for the whole fight. If you watch it though, he typically starts with punches and then falls in.

My arms are so short. I figure, I just grab a hold of them and keep them close enough to hit them because I need to be really close LOL. I think actually just throwing out strikes from the outside will just a be wasted movement. The other guy knows I cannot hit him from that far.
 
Even if your arms are short... They are longer than your clinch range. If you punch his gloves you are at least giving him something to think about and occupying his hands. IF you just go in and commit to NOT hitting him... it seems like a bad plan.
 
tiger walk

fake front teep, fake fear teep

combination of any of those
 
A dipping jab really is an ideal clinch entry. Just shoot it past their head as you step in, and then grab the collar tie.
 
Even if your arms are short... They are longer than your clinch range. If you punch his gloves you are at least giving him something to think about and occupying his hands. IF you just go in and commit to NOT hitting him... it seems like a bad plan.

You'd be surprised how short my arms are.

But are their techniques to enter with you hands in position to block incoming strikes, or catch them?

There are ways to counter incoming strikes by just clinching, and not utilizing strikes, if you are the one standing still and on the defensive. Why wouldnt you be able to reverse, and take a step into your enemy and do the same thing?
 
You'd be surprised how short my arms are.

But are their techniques to enter with you hands in position to block incoming strikes, or catch them?

There are ways to counter incoming strikes by just clinching, and not utilizing strikes, if you are the one standing still and on the defensive. Why wouldnt you be able to reverse, and take a step into your enemy and do the same thing?

Because when the opponent attacks they are compromising themselves in some way, giving you a window of opportunity. To aggressively seek the clinch, you need to disrupt them yourself, which is usually done with strikes and feints. A nice hard push on the chest works, too.
 
The basic things you need to do when initiating a clinch are clear your opponent's hands, get better hip/head position and get the grips you want. Now that opens up a lot of questions, such as what are the grips you want? If you prefer clinches that offer head control, you're going to have more success with different techniques than if you prefer pummelling for underhooks or whatever else. Also, what rule set?

The easiest way to get into a clinch, whether you're short or not, is to throw a right hand while level changing and head butting your opponent's chest during the follow through. This leads into takedowns if you want, or lets you immediately start with dominant head position so you're a step ahead when you start grip fighting. Plus a lot of people will try to get collar ties when you do this (especially if they blocked the right) but getting your head in position will make sure they don't have room to get their elbows where they need them and they'll just give you free underhooks by trying if you keep pressing forward. Cormier did this to Mir, with or without the right hand, over and over.

I second the dipping jab suggestion. It can lead to a collar tie if they do nothing or slip inside, if they slip it outside you get head control and snap them down off balance.

Similar to the dipping jab, if you can bait them into throwing a wide right then you can jab inside it, block with your forearm or jam your palm into their bicep, all of which give you a collar tie shortly after. Just make sure to bend your knees!!

If they jab at you, parry it but follow through with the parry more than you would normally. Simultaneously bend your knees, step forward hard (forehead to chest) and shoot that parrying hand through for an underhook.

Another tactic is to extend your hands and start smothering theirs. The goal is to have your hands on top and outside of theirs. From there you don't have to worry about punches, and that hand fighting is part of clinching so hopefully you know how to work from there. A good rule of thumb is to get your hands on top and outside of your opponents. That means to hit you they either have to go down the middle (which makes it easy for you to parry and step in) or pull their hand away then go over yours which makes it easy to step forward and block inside to get collar ties as mentioned above. Matt Brown and Overeem do versions of this.

If your opponent keeps their gloves against their heads and don't reach out to hand fight with you, physically grab (if you're in mma gloves) them or push them up and into the opponent. You can use this to walk them backwards to the ropes, push them into kicking range, off balance them to create openings for your clinch entries, etc. The only thing they can really threaten with is a teep. If they pick up a leg, steering wheel their arms towards that side and they should be forced to put the leg back down or fall over.

These are just some general ideas to play around with. Some of them involve hitting the other guy, but specifically not wanting to do that because you have short arms seems like a defeatist attitude to me.
 
The basic things you need to do when initiating a clinch are clear your opponent's hands, get better hip/head position and get the grips you want. Now that opens up a lot of questions, such as what are the grips you want? If you prefer clinches that offer head control, you're going to have more success with different techniques than if you prefer pummelling for underhooks or whatever else. Also, what rule set?

The easiest way to get into a clinch, whether you're short or not, is to throw a right hand while level changing and head butting your opponent's chest during the follow through. This leads into takedowns if you want, or lets you immediately start with dominant head position so you're a step ahead when you start grip fighting. Plus a lot of people will try to get collar ties when you do this (especially if they blocked the right) but getting your head in position will make sure they don't have room to get their elbows where they need them and they'll just give you free underhooks by trying if you keep pressing forward. Cormier did this to Mir, with or without the right hand, over and over.

I second the dipping jab suggestion. It can lead to a collar tie if they do nothing or slip inside, if they slip it outside you get head control and snap them down off balance.

Similar to the dipping jab, if you can bait them into throwing a wide right then you can jab inside it, block with your forearm or jam your palm into their bicep, all of which give you a collar tie shortly after. Just make sure to bend your knees!!

If they jab at you, parry it but follow through with the parry more than you would normally. Simultaneously bend your knees, step forward hard (forehead to chest) and shoot that parrying hand through for an underhook.

Another tactic is to extend your hands and start smothering theirs. The goal is to have your hands on top and outside of theirs. From there you don't have to worry about punches, and that hand fighting is part of clinching so hopefully you know how to work from there. A good rule of thumb is to get your hands on top and outside of your opponents. That means to hit you they either have to go down the middle (which makes it easy for you to parry and step in) or pull their hand away then go over yours which makes it easy to step forward and block inside to get collar ties as mentioned above. Matt Brown and Overeem do versions of this.

If your opponent keeps their gloves against their heads and don't reach out to hand fight with you, physically grab (if you're in mma gloves) them or push them up and into the opponent. You can use this to walk them backwards to the ropes, push them into kicking range, off balance them to create openings for your clinch entries, etc. The only thing they can really threaten with is a teep. If they pick up a leg, steering wheel their arms towards that side and they should be forced to put the leg back down or fall over.

These are just some general ideas to play around with. Some of them involve hitting the other guy, but specifically not wanting to do that because you have short arms seems like a defeatist attitude to me.

Lots of good info, thank you
 
Because when the opponent attacks they are compromising themselves in some way, giving you a window of opportunity. To aggressively seek the clinch, you need to disrupt them yourself, which is usually done with strikes and feints. A nice hard push on the chest works, too.

Then how would a pure grappler go about it then. Since all of you believed that our ancestors only trained grappling for warfare, how would they have used it from afar?
 
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