Tapping a blue/purple/brown/black belt in rolling doesnt make you a prodigy.

[Cango]

Rolling and tournaments arent the same. Rolling is a form of sparring, its to practice what you know against a resisting opponent. Tournaments are competition, where you do what you can (within the rules) to win.

Rolling isnt a competition.

If you are rolling, and every time your only goal is to tap out the other guy, you are probably hindering your learning process. You should be rolling to work on what you know, and improve your weaknesses. You have a super slick mounted triangle that you can nail 100 times? Great. Nailing it the 101st time in rolling isnt going to make up for the fact that you cant pass the guard for crap. In this case, your main goal when rolling should be learning to pass the guard.

Now when that tournament comes around, run for mayor of mounted triangle city.


Onto the original point: The colored belts know this already. If you tapped a colored belt, chances are either
A) He was specifically working on one thing, like a specific guard pass, or taking the back
B) He was trying to help you. He personally couldve escaped, but you did the technique correctly and he wanted to see if you knew how to finish it.
C) You got lucky, he wasnt paying attention, etc.

So to recap:
Rolling isnt about nailing your 1 super submission over and over. Its about improving your weaknesses, learning settups, getting used to working with your opponents weight, etc.

 

[Black Paladin]

Good post.

 

[Rheedanny]

aww man..so i still suck?
haha
jp never tapped anyone yet

 

[FWTG]

You have a super slick mounted triangle that you can nail 100 times? Great. Nailing it the 101st time in rolling isnt going to make up for the fact that you cant pass the guard for crap. In this case, your main goal when rolling should be learning to pass the guard.

Now when that tournament comes around, run for mayor of mounted triangle city.


Onto the original point: The colored belts know this already. If you tapped a colored belt, chances are either
A) He was specifically working on one thing, like a specific guard pass, or taking the back
B) He was trying to help you. He personally couldve escaped, but you did the technique correctly and he wanted to see if you knew how to finish it.
C) You got lucky, he wasnt paying attention, etc.

So to recap:
Rolling isnt about nailing your 1 super submission over and over. Its about improving your weaknesses, learning settups, getting used to working with your opponents weight, etc.

How the hell are you going to be hitting mounted triangles over and over if you cant pass guard?? lol Dumb post. I work my weaknesses ect all the time but still my goal is to tap my training partner. Thats the whole point of bjj ..to end the match in submission. If your not ultimately working towards a sub your hindering your progress. Doesnt mean you cant put yourself in bad positions.

You get tapped by a lower belt recently???

 

[Mikey Triangles]

are you inferring that BMA_MAT is not a prodigy???

 

[Kool Aid Man]

How the hell are you going to be hitting mounted triangles over and over if you cant pass guard?? lol Dumb post. I work my weaknesses ect all the time but still my goal is to tap my training partner. Thats the whole point of bjj ..to end the match in submission. If your not ultimately working towards a sub your hindering your progress. Doesnt mean you cant put yourself in bad positions.

You get tapped by a lower belt recently???

I pass up taps all the time and I'm sure most guys who've been doing this for any significant amount of time do as well. The goal is to improve and sometimes that means not tapping your partner.

And clearly the mounted triangles wizard who can't pass guard is only an example. Please see the forest for the trees.

 

[StoicDude]

I see the point of your post, but people will realize it only after they put some time in. I am sure all of us have been through this.

Now to the more interesting question. What happens when a visitor from another school drops in and you do randori? Any experience?

 

[TalkShowOnMute]

NO! You've crushed my dreams!!!!!!!!!!


aghhhhhhhhhhhh!ahdfhdhf!

 

[fedorsgranma*]

So TS is a blue belt who got tapped by a whitey?

 

[StoicDude]

So TS is a blue belt who got tapped by a whitey?

Maybe even purple or brown?:icon_twis. How crushing!:icon_lol:

 

[Cango]

How the hell are you going to be hitting mounted triangles over and over if you cant pass guard?? lol Dumb post. I work my weaknesses ect all the time but still my goal is to tap my training partner. Thats the whole point of bjj ..to end the match in submission. If your not ultimately working towards a sub your hindering your progress. Doesnt mean you cant put yourself in bad positions.

You get tapped by a lower belt recently???

Actually, I have hit the mounted triangle in rolling more often than I have passed the guard. Usually getting there either from a dirty scramble or a sweep.

Also, Im a white belt. Tapped my instructor yesterday with an omoplata off of a failed triangle off of a failed sacrifice throw. That, and seeing some other guys talking about tapping higher belts, is what encouraged this thread.

Im not saying dont work for subs. Im saying improve your whole game. If you can get a kimura great, but if when you roll all you do is look for the kimura, and you still dont know how to scissor sweep, you are probably hurting yourself.

 

[JudasD]

I think the TS's post is spot-on. However to some people tapping a higher belt still reigns supreme. So even if they read this they will think "yeah sure, you're just mad because i tapped you". It's up to the higher belt to then tool this person until they lose their ego or just ignore the person's ego and continue on with their day. It's like getting into an argument with a child, win or lose it doesn't really matter, they usually won't get it anyway.

JD

 

[StoicDude]

I understand your approach JD, but that particular approach tends to shrink the numbers of new recruits in the academy.
I know that people like the TS mentioned shouldn't be training in the first place, according to us, but they do bring in money and keep the place open.

Anybody got any input on how they roll when they go to other academies? Do you roll harder or no when it is open mat time?

 

[Cash Bill 52]

I understand your approach JD, but that particular approach tends to shrink the numbers of new recruits in the academy.
I know that people like the TS mentioned shouldn't be training in the first place, according to us, but they do bring in money and keep the place open.

Anybody got any input on how they roll when they go to other academies? Do you roll harder or no when it is open mat time?

I'm just myself. I stay quiet and respectful. I try to use the technique that I was taught in class. I try to make friends. I want to be helpful. I try not to use any strength techniques against the instructor.

 

[Jagcorps_esq]

How the hell are you going to be hitting mounted triangles over and over if you cant pass guard?? lol Dumb post. I work my weaknesses ect all the time but still my goal is to tap my training partner. Thats the whole point of bjj ..to end the match in submission. If your not ultimately working towards a sub your hindering your progress. Doesnt mean you cant put yourself in bad positions.

You get tapped by a lower belt recently???

Wow...one of the worst posts I've ever seen.

 

[jackandcoke]

good post... I think that most people quit after a while
if they can't tap anyone, there was a kid i use to spar
with who was newer then me but i haven't seen him in
a month and i wonder if him not being able to tap me
had something to do with it...

 

[FWTG]

I pass up taps all the time and I'm sure most guys who've been doing this for any significant amount of time do as well. The goal is to improve and sometimes that means not tapping your partner.

And clearly the mounted triangles wizard who can't pass guard is only an example. Please see the forest for the trees.

I pass up taps as well but il still put on the sub lightly and than just keep transition to something else never actually pushing the tap. Usually do this against noobs.

 

[FWTG]

Wow...one of the worst posts I've ever seen.

So we shouldnt be going for subs? What should we do just lay there than? lol I understand not spazzing ect but if im rolling im looking for subs sweeps and/or escapes. Thats the whole point of bjj. Of course il go easy on noobs ect but I personally roll to end in getting a sub. Without subs you might as well just join wrestling instead.

 

[TalkShowOnMute]

So we shouldnt be going for subs? What should we do just lay there than? lol I understand not spazzing ect but if im rolling im looking for subs sweeps and/or escapes. Thats the whole point of bjj. Of course il go easy on noobs ect but I personally roll to end in getting a sub. Without subs you might as well just join wrestling instead.

You should. But I think it is more important in the early stages of jiu jitsu (white/blue) to understand positional dominance first. If a tap is there obviously you should take it to get a feel for submission, but what the fear is that white belts will develop a habit of going for the submission even from poor positions. And it is a legitimate problem as most whites will grab whatever they can get at any time. And that is why if you watch whites roll you will see them trying submissions from positions they should not be trying them.

If you (by "you" I mean whoever is in the position,not singling you out) forget your need to tap someone, and work at being in dominant positions the taps present themselves. If you consistently pass guard to mount, then a wicked S-Mount, your armbars are gonna fall right in place. And that is the path to a tight mean ass jiu jitsu game. Not going for taps 100% of the time.

 

[platfox]

This a little off topic but not really new thread worthy so.....

I was in class last week and over heard a conversation between a couple other students. They were counting up how many taps they had for the week. It made me stop and pause for a second. I asked them what they were talking about. I was hoping they were talking about getting taps in an mma video game or something. I was wrong, they were talking about in class. They're nice guys and good classmates so I bit my tongue. Just thought it was pretty funny. Maybe next time I see them away from class and other students, I'll explain some etiquette to them. I didn't want to sound like I was lecturing them in front of people.