Taking fight on short notice = Accepting to lose

[cluegoo**]

Leben beat akiyama on short notice, mike pierce kept his momentum going the other week with a very short notice win, cerrone earned more money and fame than he had previously in his career after taking everything that was offered jon jones became a champ on short notice. Stay ready and in shape like a pro and those fights can make your career or save it.

 

[Zlatan1]

Anderson Silva accepted the loss when taking on Bonnar. He did win the fight though. So it's not so black and white, is it...

Bonnar was retired when he took the fight against Anderson.

 

[CRuck1980]

The problem is, when a fighter takes a fight on short notice, his chances to lose immediately increase - and with that the risk of being cut (see DaMaruqes Johnson). If a fighter refuses to take a fight on short notice, he isn't a "true" fighter anymore and Dana gets pissed (see Dana's reaction on Machida and Shogun refusing to fight Jon Jones on short notice).

DaMarques Johnson wasn't ready to fight, he couldn't even make the catchweight set to account for the notice. A short notice fight is an opportunity and you have to be ready to capitalize. In the case of Machida/Shogun turning down Jones (if that's what happened, I don't keep up) I can see Dana being upset because at least in Machida's case he's always wanting a title shot, then he gets one and turns it down

 

[Zlatan1]

DaMarques Johnson wasn't ready to fight, he couldn't even make the catchweight set to account for the notice. A short notice fight is an opportunity and you have to be ready to capitalize. In the case of Machida/Shogun turning down Jones (if that's what happened, I don't keep up) I can see Dana being upset because at least in Machida's case he's always wanting a title shot, then he gets one and turns it down

He has only one chance left to fight against Jones. If he loses, nobody wants to see Jones-Machida III. How can someone expect Machida to take a title fight on short notice against a guy he already lost to and against a guy he won't have the chance to fight a third time?

 

[CRuck1980]

He has only one chance left to fight against Jones. If he loses, nobody wants to see Jones-Machida III. How can someone expect Machida to take a title fight on short notice against a guy he already lost to and against a guy he won't have the chance to fight a third time?

Because opportunities to fight for the title aren't plentiful enough to pick and choose which one you want. There's little to suggest that Machida would do all that great anytime he fights Jones, so to say no a title shot is not wise because there's no telling when he'll get another one now.

 

[QTdd**]

A fighter's job is to fight, no more no less. You'd be surprised to know how many fighters are only interested in a paycheck. It's even possible to make a career out of loses.

That's not true. You win or lose.
Bonuses, entertainment etc. are just extra's.

At the end of the day, you win or lose. Your legay, paycheck, ranking, record etc. all depend on that.

 

[BEBRAVE]

Because opportunities to fight for the title aren't plentiful enough to pick and choose which one you want. There's little to suggest that Machida would do all that great anytime he fights Jones, so to say no a title shot is not wise because there's no telling when he'll get another one now.

Disagree on this one, someone like Machida can turn down fights. He is not a nobody and with his skillset/fame, he can earn a title shot. Most fighters that take fights on short notice, need the money bro, or improve their ranking.

 

[KGB256]

Because opportunities to fight for the title aren't plentiful enough to pick and choose which one you want. There's little to suggest that Machida would do all that great anytime he fights Jones, so to say no a title shot is not wise because there's no telling when he'll get another one now.

Flipside to this is the risk of becoming the next Rich Franklin. Ace lost two fights to Silva, and has been stuck in limbo ever since, because nobody wanted to see him lose to Anderson a third time.

If a guy keeps getting title shots, but can't win? Eventually he's going to stop getting title shots, no matter how good a sport he is about taking fights on short notice. Chael Sonnen is closing in on that territory if he loses to Jones, as is Frankie Edgar if he loses to Aldo.

 

[van1ty]

remember when they cut gerald harris for no reason

You mean cut him for having 3 horrible performances in 4 ufc fights? the only remotely good fight was the miranda one.

 

[BrainLeakage]

In the end, what counts is the "W". Everything else falls short.

You have to take this into consideration for just about every decision you take in the UFC.

Only the "W" matters.

 

[wlu29]

You mean cut him for having 3 horrible performances in 4 ufc fights? the only remotely good fight was the salter one.

what the heck are you talking about? are you sure you even watch fights?

this was a horrible performance? possibly one of the greatest slams in UFC history

he finished mario miranda a 11-0 prospect, who went on to beat david loiseau, and close decisions with demian maia and aaron simpson?

 

[H4r4 K1r1]

Anderson Silva accepted the loss when taking on Bonnar. He did win the fight though. So it's not so black and white, is it...

Both of these fighters took the fight on short notice. It isn't like one had a full training camp and the other didn't they both had the same mount of time to prepare and I think that is the main reason why guys lose when they take short notice fights.

 

[H4r4 K1r1]

It is definitely a dilema though. Like someone else said, high risk, high reward. Dana wilol love you for taking it on short notice, but make sure you can make weight, otherwise he will be more pissed at you than if you had turned the offer down.

A definitely, when a fighter has been approached to replace an injured fighter and accepts, it helps, but it doesn't score as many points and offering yourself up like Sonnen did (although I believe he had nothing at all to lose and everything to gain - low risk high reward).

 

[Judge and Jury]

I'm sure Anderson thinks other wise

 

[H4r4 K1r1]

I'm sure Anderson thinks other wise

I like your sig re: Anderson vs. GSP solution.

 

[eiyuu]

Fabio Maldonado took his fight with Glover Texeira on short notice. Sure he lost, but . . .

Dana White: ‘If we cut Fabio Maldonado, we deserve to be beat with a stick’

The opportunities you're handed are what you make of them. Plain and simple.

 

[phd]

I've said a few times that Johnson cut was a bit harsh.. but it is what it is... If they take a fight on short notice and lose they could get their pink slip.

Now they know.

It wasn't a loss-thing, it was a weight thing. As they called around to find replacements, one of the first questions was can you make weight (175)....Johnson said that he could make 175, and would be ready. Silva/Zuffa then signed the match. He then came in 8 lbs over the agreed-upon catchweight.

Not sure if it warranted a cut, but he wasn't punished for losing on short notice.

 

[Psychojoe86]

Really though I think most of the time fighters only accept a fight on short notice if they are already in shape and in the gym training. They take it knowing they can win.

 

[Mahoneyslaw]

In the end, what counts is the "W". Everything else falls short.

You have to take this into consideration for just about every decision you take in the UFC.

Only the "W" matters.

W's undoubtedly count for a lot but style (and translate that to popularity) is undoubtedly more important. If not then then these things would be different:

No 205 title shot for Chael
Fitch would have fought GSP at least twice
Machida would have had a title shot 2 - 3 fights before he did
Diaz wouldn't be returning to a tiltle shot

And so on...

 

[MMA04]

If the TS' statistic about fighters taking fights on short notice and losing 90% of the time is accurate, I think its worth noting that an unknown fighter trying to get a big break or a fighter coming off of a loss are the most likely candidates to step up and fill a vacant spot on short notice. The statistic maybe skewed.