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That's not a judo guy; look what he's wearing.
Takedown in SD situation
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i think for self defence a bodylock to a duckunder is the safest thing you can do
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Well I don't know man.
This whole video seems so tragic to me because the whole fight is so unnecessary and yet so typical for what many fights look like. Goes to show how stupid violence is sometimes I guess.
As for the usefulness of judo: The "judoka" obviously got sucker punched and then had to eat another one before he had time to even react. No grappling art would save you from those moves. Or do you really think that a typical wrestler would have swallowed the first punch at 2:01 unscathed, ducked the other one at 2:02 and then executed a double leg takedown before the punch at 2:04? I just don't see that happening. Now a really good wrestler could of course have thrown a double leg or a suplex or whatever somewhere around 2:06-2:18, when the whole fight actually goes on in the clinch. But I'd say so could a really good judoka.
The one thing I do agree upon is that you should definitely cross-train in a striking art if you're primarily a grappler and want to prepare for self defense. Either boxing or muay thai would have been very useful for the victim in this fight.
All in all, I'd not discard judo so easily. I'm a boxer who's looking to branch out into grappling, in part for self defense reasons. Out of the available grappling art options I chose judo in the end, mainly thanks to the wide range of options from the clinch, which I think will be particularly useful when combined with my offensive and defensive striking skills.
To answer TS's question, I'd guess the takedown would depend on the angle, but either a leg sweep like o soto gari or a hip throw like o goshi would probably work well in many situations. Basically, any "simple" techniques would work well under stress, I'd say.
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Personally... I would go with whatever your money throw is. If you're taking guys down in practice with it, so long as it isn't some impractical bullshit, you should be able to be able to hit someone in a fight with it.
For me... just happens to be tai otoshi...
For me... just happens to be tai otoshi...
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Self defense situation? Pffft... shove adversary to create distance, back pedal and draw my sidearm...thats about as close to a take down I would get.
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So you are going to get sucker punched twice, shove the guy off and backpedal through multiple people, then pull your firearm and open fire in a crowded subway train?
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Totally forgot about this: Submission grappler vs. Aikido sensei. Demonstrates every point I made nicely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW_J4IYf7SM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW_J4IYf7SM
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Not to mention that the gun will probably be concealed, with the safety on and no round in the chamber.
He got sucker punched in the jaw then again in the back of the head. Hardly anyone can react well after that.
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is he obliged to wear gi all time???
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He got sucker punched in the jaw then again in the back of the head. Hardly anyone can react well after that.
a boxer would just absorb it and knock him out COLD with one punch! that's why people should be "Well rounded". i mean pick one grappling(bjj, wrestling, judo, sambo...) and one striking(boxing, kickboxing, muy thai, karate...) and train both of them. you would be more confident than training one style. if you dont have the money or time to train 2 style of fighting, then i advice you to start training first grappling then striking.
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He got sucker punched in the jaw then again in the back of the head. Hardly anyone can react well after that.
pshh, those were arm punches.
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double leg without dropping to a knee?
Well, the stupidity sang its siren song, and I couldn't resist . . .
The point still applies even if it's wrong? Are you from another dimension, or something? I shit you not, I emailed this to an old philosophy professor for a good laugh!
So, according to this, people who are in life-threatening situations are only so endangered because they are irresponsible douches? Is that HONESTLY what you're saying? Really? Final answer? Not going to think through that at ALL?
Yeah, whenever I get roped into unpleasant situations, I ALWAYS leave my home, job, family, and friends. It's obviously the only sensible thing to do!
The Gracie Combatives is an introductory program. Its purpose is to provide techniques that are usable with minimal training. Most martial artists (such as people posting in a "Grappling Technique" forum) DO train for years. That's the whole point. Limiting yourself to only the things that you were doing in your first month of training is pretty counterproductive.
The point still applies even if it's wrong? Are you from another dimension, or something? I shit you not, I emailed this to an old philosophy professor for a good laugh!
So, according to this, people who are in life-threatening situations are only so endangered because they are irresponsible douches? Is that HONESTLY what you're saying? Really? Final answer? Not going to think through that at ALL?
Yeah, whenever I get roped into unpleasant situations, I ALWAYS leave my home, job, family, and friends. It's obviously the only sensible thing to do!
The Gracie Combatives is an introductory program. Its purpose is to provide techniques that are usable with minimal training. Most martial artists (such as people posting in a "Grappling Technique" forum) DO train for years. That's the whole point. Limiting yourself to only the things that you were doing in your first month of training is pretty counterproductive.
That was a very bad idea. You only go to osoto gari, especially in a MMA fight (street fight in the case) if you got an hold in the guy and if you can push him back, which was not the case. If he wanted to use a throw he should have clinch first with double over/under hooks or a double under. That would stop the strikes.
After that the options are simple, just watch a Jon Jones/Fedor fight, they to the exact same thing. You can push him back and you are in front of him? Ouchi gari in the face. You can push him back and you are slightly in the outside? Tani otoshi/Ko soto gake (outside leg trip).
You are holding him and he is pushing you back? Sasae tsurikomi in the face. See how Jon Jones was dropping Gusmao and Bonnar left and right, because they let JBJ get a tight hold on them and decided to push him foward with all their strenght. And even against Rashad, the only takedown that was effective was Sasae, a throw that is very underated but extremely useful in MMA conditions, due to the constant clinch game. Just ask Fedor and JBJ, 2 guys who based a big part of their feared clinch game around it.
However, an important notion: you should use a throw/takedown that you KNOW how to use and used before. This guy didn't know sh*t about how to throw anything, especially under "fire conditions", so he should avoid it anyway.
PS: if you check JBJ vs Rampage, it's funny to notice all this sequence I just described in the takedown that gave JBJ's the RNC that ended the fight. After the clinch, JBJ starts pushing Rampage back. Seeing that he is overpowering him, something he couldn't do in the earlier rounds (in fact at some point in the earlier rounds he tried the exact same sequence, but unable to pushing him forward, he tried a Sasae, almost putting him on the ground, not doing it because Rampage was not really pushing him back, just countering JBJ's attempts) JBJ tries a ouchi gari that is stopped by Rampage with his right hand.
Next he tries a outside leg trip (ko soto gake) which Rampage anticipates and backs down. In the end, and already against the cage, JBJ changes his left arm's position and threats Rampage's neck with a guillotine. Now having to defend his neck, and not having his right arm to stop JBJ from closing the necessary distance, he allows him to step forward, this time finishing the ouchi gari. Moments later he was RNC'ed.
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See 16m35s for the first sequence, with the sasae try, and see 33m10s for that final sequence I just described.
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