Economy Taiwan's Importance Can't Be Overstated - Or Can It? (+ TSMC US Mega-Site)

Once Taiwan has transferred most of it's know how to the US

lolwut?

that's not how any of this works. taiwan doesn't hold some mystical secret of fabbing - they just actually try to constantly push the envelope and buy the necessary tools to do so.

unlike intel, which pissed away ~$200B in stock buybacks instead of buying euv machines to actually make leading edge shit. hence, why they're now grifting taxpayers for billions due to this "chips act" scam.
 
China just issued a statement saying if fighter jets enter Taiwan they will be shot down.

The US military had planned to escort Nancy with fighter jets.
 
To give more of an idea of the insane level of high technology we're talking about here in regards to a couple of the aforementioned industry leading western companies in the OP.

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http://www.brookings.edu/techstream...e-at-the-center-of-chinese-dual-use-concerns/

An extreme ultraviolet lithography machine is a technological marvel. A generator ejects 50,000 tiny droplets of molten tin per second. A high-powered laser blasts each droplet twice. The first shapes the tiny tin, so the second can vaporize it into plasma. The plasma emits extreme ultraviolet (EUV) radiation that is focused into a beam and bounced through a series of mirrors. The mirrors are so smooth that if expanded to the size of Germany they would not have a bump higher than a millimeter. Finally, the EUV beam hits a silicon wafer—itself a marvel of materials science—with a precision equivalent to shooting an arrow from Earth to hit an apple placed on the moon.

This allows the EUV machine to draw transistors into the wafer with features measuring only five nanometers—approximately the length your fingernail grows in five seconds. This wafer with billions or trillions of transistors is eventually made into computer chips. An EUV machine is made of more than 100,000 parts, costs approximately $120 million, and is shipped in 40 freight containers. There are only several dozen of them on Earth and approximately two years’ worth of back orders for more. It might seem unintuitive that the demand for a $120 million tool far outstrips supply, but only one company can make them. It’s a Dutch company called ASML, which nearly exclusively makes lithography machines for chip manufacturing.

EUV machines are at the frontier of human technological capabilities. China has virtually no lithography experience or industry. Any Chinese firm trying to develop EUV lithography would have to start from scratch. It would have to close the gap with ASML’s billions of dollars, decades of experience, and the accumulated experience and tacit knowledge of their tens of thousands of employees. And it would have to succeed where experienced, billion dollar companies failed. There is little chance a Chinese company will make an EUV lithography machine in the foreseeable future.


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Applied Materials, Inc. is an American corporation that supplies equipment, software and services for the manufacturing of semiconductor (integrated circuit) chips, flat panel displays for computers, smartphones and televisions, and solar products. The company develops and manufactures equipment used in the wafer fabrication steps of creating a semiconductor device, including atomic layer deposition (ALD), chemical vapor deposition (CVD), physical vapor deposition (PVD), rapid thermal processing (RTP), chemical mechanical polishing (CMP), and ion implantation.


I worked at Applied Materials for 5 years. It would be a huge deal for Silicon Valley for many tech companies across the industry.
 
Cool.
Europe and U.S might buy some 200+ machines and sooner or later tell China and Taiwan to piss off....

+ regardless how dumb insults I might get cos reality: 6 nm, 7 nm or 16 nm will not matter so much....

+ I predict delusional claims that without some unique shit form China or Russia chip can't be produced....


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While if we will ban for example just socks import from China to U.S and EU...Xi will feel his own smell....
 
So not China. Some newspaper affiliated person posting on twitter saying China would have the right to do so. There’s a difference.
Huh? Wtf are you talking about? It's on the news turn on a TV or don't I don't give a shit.
 
lolwut?

that's not how any of this works. taiwan doesn't hold some mystical secret of fabbing - they just actually try to constantly push the envelope and buy the necessary tools to do so.

unlike intel, which pissed away ~$200B in stock buybacks instead of buying euv machines to actually make leading edge shit. hence, why they're now grifting taxpayers for billions due to this "chips act" scam.
Ok tell me more, I'm all ears. I was under the mythical misconception that Taiwan was the epicentre for the semi-conductor industry for their super advanced fabrication abilities and technical know how but apparently that's not true.
Is this snippet untrue or over-blowing things?

www.bloomberg.com said:
Taiwan’s role in the world economy largely existed below the radar, until it came to recent prominence as the auto industry suffered shortfalls in chips used for everything from parking sensors to reducing emissions. With carmakers including Germany’s Volkswagen AG, Ford Motor Co. of the U.S. and Japan’s Toyota Motor Corp. forced to halt production and idle plants, Taiwan’s importance has suddenly become too big to ignore.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...rously-dependent-on-taiwan-for-semiconductors

Or are you saying that other's could reproduce their efforts if they just put in the time and investment? Like the Chinese could? And if so why are they so interested in getting Taiwan firmly under their control?
 
Ok tell me more, I'm all ears. I was under the mythical misconception that Taiwan was the epicentre for the semi-conductor industry for their super advanced fabrication abilities and technical know how but apparently that's not true.
Is this snippet untrue or over-blowing things?

i mean, they're good at it... and know-how is certainly important but what's even more important is having the proper tools/timetables - which are a pre-req. taiwan also has a crazy work culture that benefits it. tsmc basically has a slow and steady approach - versus the leaps that samsung and intel are attempting (the latter out of desperation) - and with spotty track records.

all the know-how doesn't mean shit without euv lithography. (i mean, unless one's aiming to produce chips that are generations behind, and then duv is needed).

only one company makes the euv machines and they're booked up for ages and they won't sell to china.
 
Intel's stock waaaay beat down. Government will see it as two birds one stone. Save jerbs. Produce chips at home.

I made my first purchase of INTC today, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

This shits a lock.
 
Intel's stock waaaay beat down. Government will see it as two birds one stone. Save jerbs. Produce chips at home.

I made my first purchase of INTC today, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

This shits a lock.

{<jordan}
 
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