Tainted supplements....Company ramifications?

[OrigFan255]

This excuse has been beat to death for so many years. Some athletes successful and some not.

My question is, has any of these companies faced any consequences for putting anadrol in their Muscleman-250 brand?

I know the supplement industry is unregulated BUT, I know that when Stacker 2 had Ephedra, they made them take it out.

Is the companies only excuse that, "We mix it all in the same vat and some may contaminate". ? End of story?

Has any company been disciplined by DEA for having supplements with illegal stuff in it? Cause I have yet to hear of a company getting punished for this.
The Yoel Romero situation may be unique with this because I think his supplements were bought out of USA.

 

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[Tao of Bas]

Interesting... Just did a quick search and this article from late 2013 mentions a supplement that was found to have an anti estrogen drug in it.

Jones could actually have a basis for appeal.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s-executives-criminal-records-spiked/4114451/

 

[mmafansince93]

Interesting... Just did a quick search and this article from late 2013 mentions a supplement that was found to have an anti estrogen drug in it.

Jones could actually have a basis for appeal.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s-executives-criminal-records-spiked/4114451/

He has to provide sealed samples and receipts, i imagine of supplements he owned and used. They would have to be shown to contain the drugs he tested hot for...

Unlikely... We shall see. BUT even then he will still be punished harshly as all athletes are responsible for the shit they put in their body

 

[Tao of Bas]

As to the original question, looks like the products are pulled from the shelves and someone gets fined.

He has to provide sealed samples and receipts, i imagine of supplements he owned and used. They would have to be shown to contain the drugs he tested hot for...

Unlikely... We shall see. BUT even then he will still be punished harshly as all athletes are responsible for the shit they put in their body

Yeah, I'm well aware of that. I was just pointing out that basically any drug that might help gains/recovery has been illegally included in over the counter supplements at some point.

 

[screaminleeman]

This excuse has been beat to death for so many years. Some athletes successful and some not.

My question is, has any of these companies faced any consequences for putting anadrol in their Muscleman-250 brand?

I know the supplement industry is unregulated BUT, I know that when Stacker 2 had Ephedra, they made them take it out.

Is the companies only excuse that, "We mix it all in the same vat and some may contaminate". ? End of story?

Has any company been disciplined by DEA for having supplements with illegal stuff in it? Cause I have yet to hear of a company getting punished for this.
The Yoel Romero situation may be unique with this because I think his supplements were bought out of USA.

Herein lies the rub. What is "legal" for a Joe 6pack to walk in off the street into GNC and buy and use at their discretion can and is illegal for professional athletes to compete in their sport on!

It is that simple. The prohibitive vast majority of the "supplements" including steroids are "legal" in some facets. They are illegal only for professional athletes to use as PED's. My Mother (R.I.P.) mom legally did steroids for her arthritis for gods sake. The fact that my Mother at 80 could legally use a substance to be able to use her hand for basic life actions should NEVER come as a surprise to MMA fans that it is ILLEGAL for a young healthy person to ILLEGITIMATELY use the same substance as a PED.

That is it in a nutshell, and I hope that I have educated you (and others).

The CHEATING is in PED's one of the simplest things for a 40+ years old man to grasp, that honestly seems out of reach for the younger generation(s)!

 

[JoshR86]

Interesting... Just did a quick search and this article from late 2013 mentions a supplement that was found to have an anti estrogen drug in it.

Jones could actually have a basis for appeal.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s-executives-criminal-records-spiked/4114451/

GAT gets there products 3rd party tested, if they didn't red light 3rd party testing then they wouldn't cause Jones to fail a drug test.

They do have some products with banned substances in it, but it says on the package for professional athletes to not take it without validating it's contents with the governING body, and Jones did not receive those anyway's.

Jones has not disclosed what he has been caught with, all we know is that he can't pronounce it, if it was a tainted supplement, then he can fight it like Romero did and walk away with a slap on the wrist.

Instead he stays quiet, will take his punishment and serve his sentence.

I don't argue that some supplements can be contaminated, but when your making several millions a fight, your not picking up random supplements from your local GNC, you have paid individuals who are responsible for your diet and nutrition, who prep your meals and shakes and so on.

 

[Tao of Bas]

Herein lies the rub. What is "legal" for a Joe 6pack to walk in off the street into GNC and buy and use at their discretion can and is illegal for professional athletes to compete in their sport on!

It is that simple. The prohibitive vast majority of the "supplements" including steroids are "legal" in some facets. They are illegal only for professional athletes to use as PED's. My Mother (R.I.P.) mom legally did steroids for her arthritis for gods sake. The fact that my Mother at 80 could legally use a substance to be able to use her hand for basic life actions should NEVER come as a surprise to MMA fans that it is ILLEGAL for a young healthy person to ILLEGITIMATELY use the same substance as a PED.

That is it in a nutshell, and I hope that I have educated you (and others).

The CHEATING is in PED's one of the simplest things for a 40+ years old man to grasp, that honestly seems out of reach for the younger generation(s)!

If we're talking about steroids, they're legal with a Dr's prescription, not in an OTC supplement.

That's why the supplements are pulled from the shelves when found to contain these substances.

 

[JoshR86]

Herein lies the rub. What is "legal" for a Joe 6pack to walk in off the street into GNC and buy and use at their discretion can and is illegal for professional athletes to compete in their sport on!

It is that simple. The prohibitive vast majority of the "supplements" including steroids are "legal" in some facets. They are illegal only for professional athletes to use as PED's. My Mother (R.I.P.) mom legally did steroids for her arthritis for gods sake. The fact that my Mother at 80 could legally use a substance to be able to use her hand for basic life actions should NEVER come as a surprise to MMA fans that it is ILLEGAL for a young healthy person to ILLEGITIMATELY use the same substance as a PED.

That is it in a nutshell, and I hope that I have educated you (and others).

The CHEATING is in PED's one of the simplest things for a 40+ years old man to grasp, that honestly seems out of reach for the younger generation(s)!

There not illegal, I can swallow dbol right in front of a cop and he can't do shit about it.

PED''s are illegal in specific sports (nobody's testing curlers or ribbon dancers), but they are not illegal.

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

there is no interest or momentum to get any of that going, in my opinion - you'd need some really educated and interested fans to take it to that level - its more about the blame game - once people get closure to the blame game story, they can frollic on to judge others in another situation

 

[Tao of Bas]

There not illegal, I can swallow dbol right in front of a cop and he can't do shit about it.

PED''s are illegal in specific sports (nobody's testing curlers or ribbon dancers), but they are not illegal.

Dbol is a schedule III drug, you're talking like it's something that is only regulated in professional sports. If you had a bag of them and no prescription it would be the same as having a bag of unprescribed lortab.

 

[screaminleeman]

If we're talking about steroids, they're legal with a Dr's prescription, not in an OTC supplement.

That's why the supplements are pulled from the shelves when found to contain these substances.

I am not disagreeing with you. I can only give you the mindset of a considerably older combat sport fan. As a life long combat sport fan LONG (Decade+) before the introduction of NHB fighting to the USA and a 50+ year old die hard MMA fan (and a former Wrestler), let me clearly state my mindset on GNC supplements.

I would assume that there was 0 supplements available to me at GNC that would be legal for me to compete professional in sport on. I am not exaggerating here. Most of my age group would not for a millisecond consider the possibility that EVERY SINGLE supplement they sell is not potentially career ending for me under USADA testing.

It is a generation gap thing in my opinion. Younger fighters (ASSUME) that since GNC is a legitimate business, that they are 100% safe to use their products unconditionally.

 

[JoshR86]

Dbol is a schedule III drug, you're talking like it's something that is only regulated in professional sports. If you had a bag of them and no prescription it would be the same as having a bag of unprescribed lortab.

Only because it can be considered as distribution, if I have 1 or 2 on me there's wouldn't be a problem

 

[mmafansince93]

Herein lies the rub. What is "legal" for a Joe 6pack to walk in off the street into GNC and buy and use at their discretion can and is illegal for professional athletes to compete in their sport on!

It is that simple. The prohibitive vast majority of the "supplements" including steroids are "legal" in some facets. They are illegal only for professional athletes to use as PED's. My Mother (R.I.P.) mom legally did steroids for her arthritis for gods sake. The fact that my Mother at 80 could legally use a substance to be able to use her hand for basic life actions should NEVER come as a surprise to MMA fans that it is ILLEGAL for a young healthy person to ILLEGITIMATELY use the same substance as a PED.

That is it in a nutshell, and I hope that I have educated you (and others).

The CHEATING is in PED's one of the simplest things for a 40+ years old man to grasp, that honestly seems out of reach for the younger generation(s)!

Your mom probably did coristeroids... that is not nearly the same... That frustrates me when people confuse this. They are perfectly legal in sports as well.

Also many legal supplements have always been banned. Caffeine in large doses is banned and always has been...

An athlete who has potentially 10 million on the line shouldn't be screwing with supplements that are not well known, researched, and approved by the governing agency. It's just plain dumb to use something that you haven't thouroughly checked into.

Assuming this is the case with JJ, he still should be harshly punished. End of story.

 

[screaminleeman]

Your mom probably did coristeroids... that is not nearly the same... That frustrates me when people confuse this. They are perfectly legal in sports as well.

Also many legal supplements have always been banned. Caffeine in large doses is banned and always has been...

An athlete who has potentially 10 million on the line shouldn't be screwing with supplements that are not well known, researched, and approved by the governing agency. It's just plain dumb to use something that you haven't thouroughly checked into.

Assuming this is the case with JJ, he still should be harshly punished. End of story.

100% agreed. I have never used anything that could be misconstrued as a PED in my life. It was difficult when we had to take turns giving her the stuff (Oxicontin) when she was sent to die at home, that Leben got involved in for MMA!

The one issue that I firmly believe that the UFC and the AC's should address is three prog (IMO).
1. Define and publish the list legal substances that can be used for each "function" that current illegal supplements provide.
2. Make business arrangements between the UFC, the AC(s) and the drug manufacturers to produce high quality legal supplements for each basic "function" that is both affordable and available to the fighters under the UFC banner from the league or AC themselves!
3. Increase PED infractions once this has been established to the equivalent of combat sport death penalty (the lifetime ban upon 1st offense)

There are only so many "functions" that PED's are designed to provide the Human body at this point. The challenge that it is either unclear or not universally available with a high QC level for all athletes under the UFC banner encouraging them to self medicate.

 

[Pixelated Porn]

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Jones has not disclosed what he has been caught with, all we know is that he can't pronounce it

Vitamin B?

 

[Captain Herb]

This excuse has been beat to death for so many years. Some athletes successful and some not.

My question is, has any of these companies faced any consequences for putting anadrol in their Muscleman-250 brand?

I know the supplement industry is unregulated BUT, I know that when Stacker 2 had Ephedra, they made them take it out.
Is the companies only excuse that, "We mix it all in the same vat and some may contaminate". ? End of story?

Has any company been disciplined by DEA for having supplements with illegal stuff in it? Cause I have yet to hear of a company getting punished for this.
The Yoel Romero situation may be unique with this because I think his supplements were bought out of USA.

Actually it's not unusual for one supplement company to sue another company for misrepresenting what's in their product and having them taken off the shelves that way. As far as criminal prosecution, I don't know

 

[TeamSpaceMonkey]

USADA isn't going to play this shit. Jones is screwed. I'm sure they'll test the supps he's been taking, but I'd be surprised if they actually test positive for 2 estrogen blockers.

 

[TheNinja]

The ramifications are that people might go out and buy that company's supplements!!

Remember when Mark McGwire got huge b/c of Androstenedione and company's started making and selling that stuff like crazy!! lol

 

[KOskater]

This excuse has been beat to death for so many years. Some athletes successful and some not.

My question is, has any of these companies faced any consequences for putting anadrol in their Muscleman-250 brand?

I know the supplement industry is unregulated BUT, I know that when Stacker 2 had Ephedra, they made them take it out.

Is the companies only excuse that, "We mix it all in the same vat and some may contaminate". ? End of story?

Has any company been disciplined by DEA for having supplements with illegal stuff in it? Cause I have yet to hear of a company getting punished for this.
The Yoel Romero situation may be unique with this because I think his supplements were bought out of USA.

It's a very strange thing.

It happens frequently and its surprising. The DEA goes after drug dealers, and steroid dealers but seems like they don't monitor these supplement companies.

It is pretty odd because a lot of them have been proven to have streroids, illegal chemicals or worse in them but they aren't getting arrested in bulk.