T-Dub vs GSP: Who wins now

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  1. Money509

    Money509 A Level Poster

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    So T dub showed all of the haters that he is athletic and explosive and is the real deal. He finally didnt choke on the biggest stage of his career, stopped just bleed robbie in the first round.

    He also stated he wants to fight GSP because hes the #1 welterweight and has to beat him to be #1 or something like that. At this stage who would you pick to win?

    Woodley is just as explosive and has more knockout power but has cardio problems ( not racist). He is a legit wrestler and has the highest percentage takedown defense in the history of the WW division so he can match GSP's wrestling. GSP is coming off of a 3 year layoff and another ACL injury. Can he beat athleticexplosive woodley at this stage in his career?

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    This is still one of GSP's easier match ups at WW. Lawler was a tougher match up.
     
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    CostumedExtrmst Banned Banned

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    Both their bank accounts will win. Big.
     
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  6. JollyRants

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    So the wrestler with dynamites in his hands is easier than the guy that lost to almost every wrestler he faced ? [​IMG]
     
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    Do you really need me to break this down for you? It should be pretty obvious how Lawler is a tougher style match up than Woodley, but I'll break it down if you really need it.
     
  8. JollyRants

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    Yeah please do ? How is GSP gonna have a easier time with the wrestler who happens to be huge and have nuclear bombs in his hands ? GSP would easily jab takedown Robbie all night lol.
     
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    MachidaNo1Fan Red Belt

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    Horrible matcup for Woodley
     
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    Sounds like a good idea. They should see if they can get Tropicana to sponsor the fight. You know a little cross promotion.
     
  11. Rick Sanchez

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    GSP by destruction.. woodley has nothing on gsp's power double
     
  12. machidafan99

    machidafan99 Silver Belt

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    t-should doesnt like to get jabbed game over
    see koshcecks eye socket
     
  13. MrFeeny

    MrFeeny Purple Belt

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    woodley may have better wrestling credentials, but gps is a better mma wrestler and he has more explosive takedowns (or at least he did)

    idk how woodley would deal with somebody with a faster shoot than him.
     
  14. Money509

    Money509 A Level Poster

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    2 time Division 1 wrestler
     
  15. Rick Sanchez

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    doesnt matter

    many people said gsp (even without college wrestling) was the best mma wrestler in history
    canada even wanted him for their olympic team


     
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    Yep, you are pretty new to this huh? The reason Lawler is a tougher match is EXACTLY because GSP couldn't freely jab him and take him down. That's a VERY obvious fact about that match up.

    You mentioned that Lawler has lost to almost every wrestler he's faced? First, that's incorrect. Secondly, it's ESPECIALLY incorrect when looking at this run at WW since he dropped back down. Lawler faced Hendricks x 2, Kos, Ellenberger, and Woodley, as well as Rory MacDonald who while not a wrestler, has very strong takedowns (he took Woodley down, after all). Lawler has had no issues at WW with wrestling. He was only taken down a hand full of times and each time he was able to make it to his feet with little issue. Since his return to WW, Lawler has shown exceptional TDD, scrambling ability, and an ability to punish wrestler from the sprawl position.

    In his WW run, the only instance where wrestling bit him in the ass was in round 5 of his first fight with Hendricks, where after getting rocked, he was taken down at the end of the round.

    Nothing about GSP's last couple fights (Diaz and Hendricks) suggest he'd easily be able to take Robbie down. Given Robbie's success at stopping the takedown at WW, GSP would surely have to work harder for it.

    That, and Lawler is a Southpaw. A southpaw who truly knows how to strike as a southpaw. Watch Lawler fight against Jabbers (like Rory MacDonald). He uses his lead hand to shut down the jab, both because he's skilled at it and because shutting down a left jab as a southpaw is far easier (lead hands naturally block in the southpaw vs orthodox mach up).

    So, against Lawler, GSP not only has to deal with a skilled power house striker who knows how to keep it on the feet, he's facing a guy who shuts down his #1 weapon on the feet.



    Now, look at Woodley. Woodley has that dangerous right hand on the feet (I challenge you to show me any Woodley fight where anything but his right hand is a danger as far as his boxing goes). What's the best weapon to have against a guy like that? The jab.

    GSP has drawn out many overhands throughout his career by sitting behind his jab. He has the reach and skill with it to stay safe from that punch 90% of the time (really, only Serra ever connected clean on GSP with that punch). Woodley has also shown weakness to guys who are able to maintain the distance on the feet (MacDonald notably, even Shields shut down a lot of Wooldey's striking by keeping his distance).

    Wooldey hasn't been able to use his wrestling against another elite wrestler since coming to the UFC, so expecting him to be effective with it against GSP is unlikely. If anything, GSP is going to utilize the treat of the takedown between the two.

    Lastly, Woodley slows down as the fight continues. Unless he blasts GSP early (which, between the threat of the takedown and jabs, is unlikely), GSP's going to have little trouble doing what Rory has already done. Keep the range, jab him up, and take him down when the chance presents itself.


    I mean, just look at Wooldey's fight with Rory. Rory easily took him apart utilizing the threat of the takedown as well as a long jab and strikes. GSP can use that EXACT gameplan and do it just as well as Rory.


    The difference between Woodley and Lawler is that Lawler actively shuts down GSP's two biggest weapons. On the feet, he takes away GSP's jab. And he would likely make wrestling a difficult ordeal. Woodley however leaves GSP ith his biggest weapon on the feet. While he may cancel out the wrestling early on as well (like Lawler), GSP has always made his wrestling work better against guys he can set up with his jab.

    So, that's why. Woodley's striking game comes down to his right hand. And the right hand strategy has ALWAYS been a bad one against GSP.
     
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    Money509 A Level Poster

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    I know GSP is a legit ass wrestler nobody is doubting that. But Woodley is also a legit ass wrestler , remember when GSP fought hendricks and got muscled around in the clinch and couldnt keep him down? That could happen against woodley too especially coming off of a 3 year layoff and ACL injury.
     
  18. Ham Socks

    Ham Socks Professional Fighter

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    I disagree. Gsp wouldn't be able to strike against tyrannosaurus woodley. His muay thai is too good. I mean he just destroyed robby lawler.
     
  19. JollyRants

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    [​IMG] Woodley is the way tougher match. Johny Hendricks was GSP toughest fight since His losses. Woodley is a bigger faster version of Hendricks. Woodley would be a nightmare of a matchup for GSP.
     
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    Well we can't have a big Welterweight fight without multiple threads about GSP returning the next day.
     

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