Swim Caps are Racist

That's not an excuse.

How do you teach a person that has no access to natural or unnatural bodies of water to swim?
There is a much more interesting and vivid history to be discussed here, but the first page had me too verklempt about swim caps to get to that.

Lack of access to unnatural bodies of water also isn't the issue.
http://blackdemographics.com/population/black-regions/

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About 60 Percent of Blacks Lived in 10 States

The 10 states with the largest black alone-or-in-combination populations in 2010 were New York (3.3 million), Florida (3.2 million), Texas (3.2 million), Georgia (3.1 million), California (2.7 million), North Carolina (2.2 million), Illinois (2.0 million), Maryland (1.8 million), Virginia (1.7 million) and Ohio (1.5 million). Among these states, four experienced substantial growth between 2000 and 2010. The black alone-or-in-combination population in Florida grew by 29 percent, Georgia by 28 percent, Texas by 27 percent and North Carolina by 21 percent.
and...
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-210.html
“Rural areas cover 97 percent of the nation’s land area but contain 19.3 percent of the population (about 60 million people),” Census Bureau Director John H. Thompson said. “By combining five years of survey responses, the American Community Survey provides unequaled insight into the state of every community, whether large or small, urban or rural.”
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and
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/10/trump-african-american-inner-city/503744/
That has slowly been changing. Today, the majority—52 percent— of African Americans in the nation’s top 100 metro areas live in the suburbs of those regions, according to Kneebone.
The fact blacks are concentrated in the South is important because it is plenty warm down there. This is more important to the socioeconomic divide, which is definitely a factor in competitive swimming, and to a lesser degree public pool access, because it tends to be less expensive to build facilities that can house outdoor pools.

The fact they are concentrated in the cities means they are much more likely to live in areas where there is a publicly funded pool or outreach program pool nearby (ex. municipal pools, YMCA, Boys & Girls Club, etc). There are 309,000 public pools across the USA. My own rural hometown's public pool had a seasonal pass that saw the poor drop off their kids in the afternoon for 4 1/2 hours every weekday for 2 1/2 months during the summer. In the late 90's this pass was $25. This meant those people were effectively getting babysitting from the lifeguards for pennies on the dollars compared to any other available program: public or otherwise.

There is a definite cultural inertia, here, but a lack of access to bodies of water where they could learn, and specifically where instruction is offered cheaply, is not the primary issue. I think it is more a matter of intergenerational cultural capital and habits at this point. There are quite a few activists out there who are seeking to help correct the problem with publicly-funded programs to offer instruction and pool access for free to nonwhite urban populations so that we don't have so many preventable, tragic drownings.

I will never forget reading about the Red River Drowning. It breaks my heart every time I am reminded.
La. man saved teen, couldn’t stop 6 from drowning
 
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There is a much more interesting and vivid history to be discussed here, but the first page had me too verklempt about swim caps to get to that.

Lack of access to unnatural bodies of water also isn't the issue.
http://blackdemographics.com/population/black-regions/

Black-Regional-Distribution-2016-3.jpg


and...
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-210.html

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and
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/10/trump-african-american-inner-city/503744/

The fact blacks are concentrated in the South is important because it is plenty warm down there. This is more important to the socioeconomic divide, which is definitely a factor in competitive swimming, and to a lesser degree public pool access, because it tends to be less expensive to build facilities that can house outdoor pools.

The fact they are concentrated in the cities means they are much more likely to live in areas where there is a publicly funded pool or outreach program pool nearby (ex. municipal pools, YMCA, Boys & Girls Club, etc). There are 309,000 public pools across the USA. My own rural hometown's public pool had a seasonal pass that saw the poor drop off their kids every day in the afternoon for 4 1/2 hours every weekday for 2 1/2 months during the summer. In the late 90's this pass was $25. This meant those people were effectively getting babysitting from the lifeguards for pennies on the dollars compared to any other available program: public or otherwise.

There is a definite cultural inertia, here, but a lack of access to bodies of water where they could learn, and specifically where instruction is offered cheaply, is not the primary issue. I think it is more a matter of intergenerational cultural capital and habits at this point. There are quite a few activists out there who are seeking to help correct the problem with publicly-funded programs to offer instruction and pool access for free to nonwhite urban populations so that we don't have so many preventable, tragic drownings.

I will never forget reading about the Red River Drowning. It breaks my heart every time I am reminded.
La. man saved teen, couldn’t stop 6 from drowning


I don't think lack of access is the only factor either, or even the main factor.

I think the bigger factor is that American exclusionary culture simply made swimming not for them... and black people embraced it in their own way.

Swimming is for white people and it's a thing white people do. You don't want to be like them do you?
 
2.) You kind of make my point with the snake comment. I am sure growing up you heard about how to avoid them and what to do. A death from a snake bite results in only 5 deaths in the USA per year. Over 3500 people die from drowning per year. That would mean learning to swim is significant more important. Also just about everyone knows and is physically able to run to a certain extent. Lastly Flash floods in deserts are pretty scary. Check this out. About 1 min in.


or this


3) about 16 million people in my province. Also most major cities around the world are built on waterways. I will give that most are probably too polluted to swim in there is tonnes of water around if you don't mind the odd ear infection.... Also Arizona is a desert area with about 120 lakes. Only 2 are natural but there are still quite a few bodies of water. Counting local municipal pools and neighbors not learning to swim because of lack of opportunity seems like an excuse.


2. Haha, you overestimate people's running ability. Over a third of Americans are obese. They aint outrunning a snake. Or any of the other things that can kill a person.

But I'm biased on this. Water just wasn't part of my upbringing. With flash floods, swimming ability actually isn't that important, imo. Very few people are strong enough swimmers to deal with the crushing water and debris that goes along with such things.

3. What I mean with accessibility is distance from a usable body of water. Where I gew up, the nearest lake was a two hour drive. The nearest public pool, iirc, was about 45 minutes away. Both of my parents worked full time and we typically had sports on the weekend. Realistically, when would he have had time to go swimming? Until we got a pool, it just wasn't something we could do with any consistency. Which was fine, because swimming was irrelevant to our lives.

Just because a state has 100 lakes doesn't mean that everyone lives within a reasonable distance to that lake.
 
meanwhile... Asians guys be like...

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Asian dude here... well... half Asian.

Never had a complaint... course it could have been out of pity.

Generally polluted and unhygienic/dangerous to swim in. Please don't teach your child to swim in the ocean.


Good enough for SEALs good enough for me?
 
Why wouldn't you teach your kids to swim in the ocean if that was what was around you. I'm no where near an ocean myself but my kids have swam in the ocean as recently as May of this year.

As far as pollution goes... guys just take a shower and don't put your head underwater or put the water in your mouth....
A shower won't work, when you're learning to swim you're bound to go underwater and there's a thing called "currents" it sweeps up adults every year.
 
A shower won't work, when you're learning to swim you're bound to go underwater and there's a thing called "currents" it sweeps up adults every year.
I'll admit learning to swim in an ocean is a very bad idea, too many risk factors out of your control.

But like a nice bay or something protected from currents and only a real light wave pattern/tidal pattern? Pretty sure a lot of the southern coastal states have that.

I think one big thing for people in general.. white, black, yellow, purple, brown, green... when they go to a lake or pond and you see like lilipads and the algae on the top layer of water because there isn't much current to sweep that shit away a lot of Americans are grossed out by that.

I'll never forget taking a friend that grew up in fucking NYC shooting and my truck got stuck in the mud. I jumped out to tie the straps to my front hooks and a friends trailer hitch to get dragged out and sank to like my thighs in mud.

Buddy from NY was like "I ain't getting out of the truck into this..."

Americans... and humans as a whole to a lesser degree at least in more westernized countries have this weird aversion to getting dirty..
 
" yet another contributor to racial disparity in swimming "

Seems pretty race baity on its own to me

That was the salient point for me as well. Even the main title was pretty baity Swim Caps Are Keeping Black Women Out of Pools It's like it's not enough just to write about challenges faced by a set of individuals, those challenges have to also be couched in implications of prejudice and victimization.
 
Asian dude here... well... half Asian.

Never had a complaint... course it could have been out of pity.

LOL. I certainly did not get complaints either. I don't have the size to hang with those mammoths but it's big enough and I can last with the best of the 'em.

Quite a few of my gfs have stated that I could be a porn star due to my stamina... That woulda cool... treating the multiple STDs I'd acquire wouldn't be so much fun tho...
 
I don't think lack of access is the only factor either, or even the main factor.

I think the bigger factor is that American exclusionary culture simply made swimming not for them... and black people embraced it in their own way.

Swimming is for white people and it's a thing white people do. You don't want to be like them do you?
Yes, I believe there is an element of cultural inertia at stake that traces back to Jim Crow policies. This is compounded by the fact that even competitive swimming is a more expensive club sport, here, and populated by a more affluent base.

There's a lot of factors that have contributed to the problem, but sure as a one-legged duck swims in a circle, fucking swim caps aren't one.
 
I'll admit learning to swim in an ocean is a very bad idea, too many risk factors out of your control.

But like a nice bay or something protected from currents and only a real light wave pattern/tidal pattern? Pretty sure a lot of the southern coastal states have that.

I think one big thing for people in general.. white, black, yellow, purple, brown, green... when they go to a lake or pond and you see like lilipads and the algae on the top layer of water because there isn't much current to sweep that shit away a lot of Americans are grossed out by that.

I'll never forget taking a friend that grew up in fucking NYC shooting and my truck got stuck in the mud. I jumped out to tie the straps to my front hooks and a friends trailer hitch to get dragged out and sank to like my thighs in mud.

Buddy from NY was like "I ain't getting out of the truck into this..."

Americans... and humans as a whole to a lesser degree at least in more westernized countries have this weird aversion to getting dirty..
Don't mind getting muddy or dirty, I do mind the pollution. Most rivers are dead anyway.
 
LOL. I certainly did not get complaints either. I don't have the size to hang with those mammoths but it's big enough and I can last with the best of the 'em.

Quite a few of my gfs have stated that I could be a porn star due to my stamina... That woulda cool... treating the multiple STDs I'd acquire wouldn't be so much fun tho...
10 years piano playing shit like this:



Any deficiencies elsewhere are more than made up for it.
 
Yes, I believe there is an element of cultural inertia at stake that traces back to Jim Crow policies. This is compounded by the fact that even competitive swimming is a more expensive club sport, here, and populated by a more affluent base.

There's a lot of factors that have contributed to the problem, but sure as a one-legged duck swims in a circle, fucking swim caps aren't one.
Swimming is stupid expensive. Costs more than my sons hockey.
 
And even today, you see racists having issue swimming with blacks.

Is it true that a chemical reaction to chlorine causes black people to seep melanin into the pool and that I can be stained by swimming with them?
 
She offers zero concrete physiological reasons for why swim caps will negatively impact black hair, but not white hair, and you lapped that nonsense up, because you're the target audience when racists pander to race-based confirmation biases, and they certainly found you, because you immediately pontificated...

Yes, it is. It's horseshit. Swim caps aren't designed specifically for white hair. They are latex. They are just a cheap, available material that works, and fits all.

Are "nude" colored panty hoes designed for white skin? Are men's shavers designed for white men's faces?

You're creating arguments no one is making in order to fuel your desire to be right. I'm black. I cannot use the standard shavers that are at my store, nor can my 3 black brothers or my black male friends. Those shavers are not specifically designed for white people, but we have to get special shavers that ARE designed for black people.

Like the girl in the article, I cannot give you physiological reasons why those shavers don't work for me. I'm not a biologist or a dermatologist. I just know that they don't.

Were you aware that black men have to shave differently? Do you know the physiological reasons why? Are all the black men I know (and the entire editorial team of the Atlantic) just idiots who are easily race baited or is it maybe just possible that Madmick isn't an expert on this?

This lady is...I don't understand what she's trying to achieve.

Here's a question: Is there any possibility whatsoever that she knows something about the relationship between swim caps and black hair that you don't know? Any possibility whatsoever?
 
You asked a question that you already knew the answer to.

Look at your post. You also did it with a bit of an attitude.
what percentage of the population are competitive swimmers or divers?
 
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