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To be fair to them, he didn't begin the submission from the body-triangle; it was that reverse-grapevine position that was part of what took away Caldwell's base. Once Caldwell tucked his head down, then McKee secured the hold and the body-triangle. But this sequence would never have happened if he was just on bottom with a body triangle the whole time."You can't submit anyone from the body triangle"
And now anyone who has ever said this can please shut up.
(I appreciate it was a neck crank. But there's a claim that the body triangle is a pure stalling position from the bottom.)
You definitely see a lot of variations of the reverse-nelson in a lot of catch material, including stuff going at least as far as back as the early 20th century.Half stock in catch...
You definitely see a lot of variations of the reverse-nelson in a lot of catch material, including stuff going at least as far as back as the early 20th century.
I've seen people do similar stuff off of a hip-bump sweep; Anderson Silva demo'd something similar. It is cool, although as a fan of Darrion Caldwell since his amateur wrestling days, I wish it had never happened!Yeah there is a ton of it....
Off the top of my head I don't know if I've ever seen the stocks used as a submission quite like that...pretty cool.
Exactly this. The body triangle from bottom is a stalling position. Using it to finish a sub that's already locked in is the exception and doesn't change anything.To be fair to them, he didn't begin the submission from the body-triangle; it was that reverse-grapevine position that was part of what took away Caldwell's base. Once Caldwell tucked his head down, then McKee secured the hold and the body-triangle. But this sequence would never have happened if he was just on bottom with a body triangle the whole time.
Did you actually watch the full fight? AJ Mckee used the body triangle before the finish to land elbows.Exactly this. The body triangle from bottom is a stalling position. Using it to finish a sub that's already locked in is the exception and doesn't change anything.
I was thinking in the context of grappling. In MMA there really isn't any such thing as a stalling position, because you can attempt strikes from just about anywhere. North-south is the only position I can think of where you can't throw an effective strike, but there are subs from there and it isn't a particularly effective position for pinning someone down.Did you actually watch the full fight? AJ Mckee used the body triangle before the finish to land elbows.
Counterpoint:I was thinking in the context of grappling. In MMA there really isn't any such thing as a stalling position, because you can attempt strikes from just about anywhere. North-south is the only position I can think of where you can't throw an effective strike, but there are subs from there and it isn't a particularly effective position for pinning someone down.
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As far as the submission, the body triangle definitely came into use for the finish. But the submission never would have come if he'd just hung out there. It was the reverse grape-vine that helped break Caldwell's posture and encourage him to place his head where he did.Did you actually watch the full fight? AJ Mckee used the body triangle before the finish to land elbows.
I don't know what to tell you other than it's a fact that elite grapplers use the body triangle position from the bottom in MMA as a starting point for attacking. Beneil Dariush is a good example of this.As far as the submission, the body triangle definitely came into use for the finish. But the submission never would have come if he'd just hung out there. It was the reverse grape-vine that helped break Caldwell's posture and encourage him to place his head where he did.
I don't know what to tell you other than that this is not an example of that, which seemed to be what you were suggesting before.I don't know what to tell you other than it's a fact that elite grapplers use the body triangle position from the bottom in MMA as a starting point for attacking. Beneil Dariush is a good example of this.