Sweeps from full guard!

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  1. snotrag

    snotrag Green Belt

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    Anyone have videos or anything for some sweeps from guard? I know the Scissor(sp?) sweep and that is about it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Mikey Triangles

    Mikey Triangles Bending Joints the Wrong Way Since 1985

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    have you tried youtube?
     
  3. snotrag

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    No. Is there alot on youtube? If so, I feel like adouche for making a thread.
     
  4. killer_kicks88

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    it's all good dude, you're just curious. if you want to be good at sweeps though, you might look into a different guard than full...half guard, butterfly guard and x guard are some really good guards that combo together really well...de la riva (even though i don't like it personally) is good with those guards too...now hit up some youtube.
     
  5. Jimmy Cerra

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    The closed guard is underrated. You have to get a competent closed guard. The pendulum, flower, scissor, and hook sweeps are very basic sweeps which work very well. Getting good at these sweeps will improve the rest of your jiu-jitsu. Noobs often find that they need the newest Eddie Bravo move and that those basics don't work. More and more, I find that they do work well - I just didn't have the timing or a few details right back when I started jiu-jitsu.
     
  6. killer_kicks88

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    good point...i looked at it from the view that "he's probably thinking what i used to think". I used to never use any other guard than closed guard for the longest time, I just didn't see the need for it. But I think going outside of the closed guard to learn a few sweeps from other guards helps you understand the principles of what it takes to sweep somebody. You start to feel shifts of weight more and things like that. The sweeps you named need to be learned by everyone as a base.


    P.S. You really think the closed guard is UNDERrated?
     
  7. Jimmy Cerra

    Jimmy Cerra Amateur Fighter

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    No, closed guard is underrated. I was the opposite: with short legs I never used closed guard. But not I use it all the time as a type of clinch. It should not be a static type of guard; instead I use the closed guard to push and pull a lot off balancing my opponent and making an angle for myself. I like to work arm drags and arm traps from here too, just like from standing. Sometimes the most frustrating people can be caught or swept most effectively with a good closed guard.
     
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    The scissor sweep is my go to sweep. It is basic but it works all the time.
     
  9. Tony Manifold

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    Try some of these:
    YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
     
  10. killer_kicks88

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    my bad, I'll edit, i meant UNDER rated.
     
  11. Ghost Dog

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    by far my favorite is the sweep war machine used on fightnight.. however it doesnt work everytime. case in point matt serra vs hughes II.
     
  12. snotrag

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    Thanks all. Closed guard is basically the only guard I use for now, like alot of you have said once I get good and feel comfortable with closed guard I will move on to others. My subs from closed guard are not half as good as my subs from the top position, so naturally I wanna get on top. Thanks guys. Keep more suggestions coming I need a strong guard game.
     
  13. Fozzy1

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    they've never fought, so ofcourse the sweep never worked....

    ~Foz
     
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    I don't count hook sweeps as a closed guard sweep as obviously you have to open your guard to put the hook in, thus it ceases to be closed guard, and becomes more of a butterflyish type guard. You can call it a hook sweep setup from closed guard, but it isn't a closed guard sweep itself (at least IMO).
     
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    This is the hip bump sweep. I don't know why it isn't used more in MMA.

    And I think you meant Dennis Hallman/Hughes. I haven't seen the fight but I heard Hallman used the hip bump on him.
     
  16. Jimmy Cerra

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    That a little too strict of a taxonomy. By your definition, every triangle choke is from either closed guard or mount. Obviously that is not true. Every sweep is an open guard sweep too. It defeats the purpose of creating a taxonomy in the first place.
     
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    I see what you're saying, and I mostly agree with you.

    However, there are a few sweeps from closed guard where your guard remains closed throughout the sweep, thus being a 'true' closed guard sweep.

    It's not really high percentage but in closed guard, you reach way around to one of your partners shins near the ankle and get your arm under it and pull his leg towards you. It destroys his base and your guard remains closed, and it's pretty easy getting the sweep once you got his leg out. However, most people won't let you get to the position in the first place, hence not high percentage.

    Also the few closed guard sweeps where a guy stands up in your guard and you either grab both ankles, or get an underhook on one leg and pull it towards you while extending your hips and your guard remains closed. So not all sweeps are open guard sweeps.
     
  18. MongoMudd

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    You are completely correct if you are talking pure grappling. As far as MMA goes, the De La Riva and X Guard are great ways to get killed in my opinion. Obviously every technique CAN work, but I feel like you have to have black belt level skill to use these guards effectively in MMA. In MMA full guard > all other guards in my opinion.
     
  19. Kimuralex

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    recently, hansen has used the DLR to do upkicks on urijah faber, and so did aoki on calvanti....so DLR might not be as bad to work with in mma as some of you think. X guard i dont know about, havent seen it used in mma but then again i never seen anyone attempt it either.

    I think the fullguard is also one of the best guards in mma, but i think butterfly guard is pretty good too...i seen a few fights with some nice butterfly sweeps, most recent was tim crueders victory on riddle.
     
  20. Jimmy Cerra

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    You're not supposed to hold guard in MMA. staying in DLR or X-guard will get you killed, but using them as a transition point like you're supposed to, in any case, is a different manner. I'm not sold on X-guard, but I won't discount someone for using it either. After all, DLR can be used in MMA as has been seen.
     

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