Social Sweden. Update: Came in Ferrari - applied for social benefits

[Son of Jamin]

I did not call you a Nazi. I correctly pointed out that you used an argument - that Swedes have "hard-working blood" - that was expressly used by the Nazis. More than being ashamed that you used an argument also used by Nazis, you should be embarrassed that you used an argument so fucking stupid and ludicrous. The "hard-working" argument (setting aside the implicit biological argument re "blood") is the same one used by nationalists in the United States - a country in which the average worker works much longer hours and is more productive than in Sweden - to disparage Mexican immigrants despite said Mexican immigrants working excessive hours in brutal manual labor positions, oftentimes absent employment and labor regulations and protections.

Also, yes, @Son of Jamin is absolutely a racist. That he, like you, is sensible in non-racist-adjacent discussions, only shows that he's smart enough to not spend all his posts here making race/immigration alarmist threads. Instead, the both of you are more comparable to California limousine liberals who supposedly champion reason and compassion, and rightfully disdain barbarism and stupidity on the right, yet engage in the same sort of exclusionary reactions the minute you're threatened or the right thing becomes momentarily challenging or even just separated from your own self-interest. I can only assume that the other posters that are cheer leading you here - Happy Man, uppercutbus, Black Confederate (lol, you're welcome to litigate that one), etc. - are so openly hateful and racist that even you cannot dare to defend them.



I think you, and some of the people you describe, have been known and exposed for some time, such as in 2011 when the Danish right started gaining momentum - momentum they would clearly use to take an ax to the welfare state - based on anti-immigration sentiment even before the refugee crisis. This has and will continue to be the glaring weak spot in social democracy: it is susceptible to regressive capitalist reactions, where self-interested right-wingers will attempt to leverage whatever social policy/issue is most powerful into looting the welfare state. The Swedish right, just like the American right and the British right, will eventually use racism to tear down the public good, and, such as shown in the post I originally quoted, you're expressly okay with that. You want the country to go bankrupt so that you can kick out immigrants. You're probably fully aware of longstanding studies into the issue showing assimilation after a generation, but you are hoping you can boot them out before that happens.

I'm in a hurry so it will suffice to say, it's actually rather amusing to be called a racist for wanting controlled immigration and acknowledging the strain on the Swedish society due to immigration from certain areas of the world. Even if I were an alarmist, that wouldn't make me racist.

But anywho, at least you didn't call me a socialist, that would have hurt.

 

[Trotsky]

I'm in a hurry so it will suffice to say, it's actually rather amusing to be called a racist for wanting controlled immigration and acknowledging the strain on the Swedish society due to immigration from certain areas of the world. Even if I were an alarmist, that wouldn't make me racist.

But anywho, at least you didn't call me a socialist, that would have hurt.

Let's take a look at the threads you've started here. I'll just include ones that deal with Europe and the United States, since including all of the "omg look what happened in this Muslim country" threads as well would probably cause my post to exceed the character limit.

Hezbollah threatens to flood Europe with refugees
America’s White Saviors
Islamic extremist attacks in Europe increased 725% between 2007 and 2017
150,000 people have been killed by Islamists since 9/11 according to Die Welt am Sonntag
Islamist extremism caused 84,000 deaths worldwide in 2017, new report says
Finnish study: Immigration and public costs (some groups costs 1,000,000 Euros per individual)
Global disorder: The Sources of the West’s Decline
Birmingham school stops LGBT lessons after Muslim parents protest
The truth about George Soros (long read)
Arrests in 2015-2017 per EU member state and affilation and trends from 2011-2017 (source Europol)
Islamic antisemitism: How it orininated and spread (Caution: LONG READ)
Insulting the prophet Muhammad is not free speech according to ECtHR
German teen arrested for plotting bomb attack on gay nightclub and a church
How to get asylum and guaranteed lifelong financial aid in Sweden? Torch a synagogue
Violent attacks against Jews in Berlin and Zurich largely commited by German Muslims
Fear Thy Neighbor: Radicalization and Jihadist Attacks in the West
Jewish men beaten with belt in Berlin anti-Semitic attack
Jews Are Fleeing France in Droves As Anti-Semitism Goes Unchecked
Hostages taken in armed siege in the south of France after gunmen shoot at police. UPDATED (weird how terrorism by white folks isn't getting any love, eh?)
New York: Suicide bomber -'Explosion' at Manhattan bus terminal. 1 Suspect in custody. 4 injured (I mean....it makes up the vast majority of US terror attacks...)
Europe’s Growing Muslim Population (Pew Research Center)
50% of the Muslims between the ages of 15-25 are radical and hostile to French society
Bomb 'found at Paris Saint-Germain's stadium before 50,000 fans turned up to watch them play
Car ploughs into soldiers on patrol in Paris leaving 6 injured. Suspect in custody.
Knife attack in Russian city of Surgut, attacker killed by police
Machete attack in Hamburg. Attacker screamed Allah akbar
Muslim leaders make formal complaint over 'Islamophobic' banners at London Pride
Muslims and left-wing extremists behind most antisemitic violence according to a European study
European Survey - Islam's lack of compatibility, threat to National Identity, fear of terrorism.
2017 EU Terrorism Report - Leftwing extremists and Muslims are extremely overrepresented
22 people injured, 1 dead by car in New York Times square
George Soros financing European Muslim Brotherhood groups
Truck hits people in central Stockholm - 3 dead so far
Several hurt in shooting near Houston strip mall (dang, you accidentally caught a white nationalist shooter in your net here)
Germany warns its citizens to stockpile food and water in case of terror attack
Jewish rabbi stabbed by attacker shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in France
Int.study shows wealth and high education are risk factors for Muslim radicalisation

It seems you aren't just worried about the welfare state you care about so much. It seems you're also taking care to worry about the United States, Germany, France, Switzerland, and Finland.

I imagine that you only caring about the evil and scariness of Muslims (the world over), and seemingly not anyone else, is just a coincidence. But thank you, surely, for reminding Westerners of the danger of Muslims. As we all know, it's otherwise completely underestimated.

 

[sweede]

I did not call you a Nazi. I correctly pointed out that you used an argument - that Swedes have "hard-working blood" - that was expressly used by the Nazis. More than being ashamed that you used an argument also used by Nazis, you should be embarrassed that you used an argument so fucking stupid and ludicrous. The "hard-working" argument (setting aside the implicit biological argument re "blood") is the same one used by nationalists in the United States - a country in which the average worker works much longer hours and is more productive than in Sweden - to disparage Mexican immigrants despite said Mexican immigrants working excessive hours in brutal manual labor positions, oftentimes absent employment and labor regulations and protections.

Also, yes, @Son of Jamin is absolutely a racist. That he, like you, is sensible in non-racist-adjacent discussions, only shows that he's smart enough to not spend all his posts here making race/immigration alarmist threads. Instead, the both of you are more comparable to California limousine liberals who supposedly champion reason and compassion, and rightfully disdain barbarism and stupidity on the right, yet engage in the same sort of exclusionary reactions the minute you're threatened or the right thing becomes momentarily challenging or even just separated from your own self-interest. I can only assume that the other posters that are cheer leading you here - Happy Man, uppercutbus, Black Confederate (lol, you're welcome to litigate that one), etc. - are so openly hateful and racist that even you cannot dare to defend them.



I think you, and some of the people you describe, have been known and exposed for some time, such as in 2011 when the Danish right started gaining momentum - momentum they would clearly use to take an ax to the welfare state - based on anti-immigration sentiment even before the refugee crisis. This has and will continue to be the glaring weak spot in social democracy: it is susceptible to regressive capitalist reactions, where self-interested right-wingers will attempt to leverage whatever social policy/issue is most powerful into looting the welfare state. The Swedish right, just like the American right and the British right, will eventually use racism to tear down the public good, and, such as shown in the post I originally quoted, you're expressly okay with that. You want the country to go bankrupt so that you can kick out immigrants. You're probably fully aware of longstanding studies into the issue showing assimilation after a generation, but you are hoping you can boot them out before that happens.

An important detail that you have completely missed is the seriousness that prevails in this country. The environmental party (MP) and the left (V) appear to be completely unrealistic in most people's eyes. The fact is that we have received more refugees per capita than any other country in Europe. Those who come from the Middle East come with a mindset that cannot work in a highly educated country like Sweden. You talk about Mexicans who have a higher work ethic and work more hours than us. What does it have to do with living in a country that requires a higher education in order to get a job that you want to enjoy at all? Our system is not based on the fact that there must be millions of people doing unskilled jobs that others do not want.

Poor Mexicans who work more hours than us also live in a class society. I think it's funny that you hang up on what I said about high work ethic in our DNA. It was more a way of describing us Swedes and how over time we have had a high level of confidence in the state, but you can't imagine that, living in a country with low confidence in the state. The fact that I can be proud to hear from other nationalities that we are hardworking, organized, faithful and usually too kind for our own good is part of describing us as Swedish. The Swedish state has done a good job with the good reputation about Sweden, but has completely come astray when it comes to the reception of people who are illiterate and who will be in eternal welfare support.

In Sweden, we are strongly committed to freedom and responsibility, but that system cannot work when 80 percent of those who have come since 2015 cannot get a job. Our system of security in the form of a generous welfare cannot work if the workers who have arrived are not compatible with our labor market. I think it is deeply sad that the only thing you can come up with is to draw parallels to racism and that we do not show solidarity. Who are you to tell us when our world-famous system is about to be destroyed?

Where is my solidarity by paying a higher tax from 2020 through an increased municipal tax? My total tax will then be at 54 percent because my municipality goes minus and I have to take responsibility and pay for others who do not have jobs. How dare you be so insolent?

And finally. Where have I written that I wish my country to be demolished before I can kick out the immigrants? You're lying POS @Trotsky

 

[nicapica]

Lol @Trotsky sonning these clowns

 

[Mendacious]

Let's take a look at the threads you've started here. I'll just include ones that deal with Europe and the United States, since including all of the "omg look what happened in this Muslim country" threads as well would probably cause my post to exceed the character limit.

Hezbollah threatens to flood Europe with refugees
America’s White Saviors
Islamic extremist attacks in Europe increased 725% between 2007 and 2017
150,000 people have been killed by Islamists since 9/11 according to Die Welt am Sonntag
Islamist extremism caused 84,000 deaths worldwide in 2017, new report says
Finnish study: Immigration and public costs (some groups costs 1,000,000 Euros per individual)
Global disorder: The Sources of the West’s Decline
Birmingham school stops LGBT lessons after Muslim parents protest
The truth about George Soros (long read)
Arrests in 2015-2017 per EU member state and affilation and trends from 2011-2017 (source Europol)
Islamic antisemitism: How it orininated and spread (Caution: LONG READ)
Insulting the prophet Muhammad is not free speech according to ECtHR
German teen arrested for plotting bomb attack on gay nightclub and a church
How to get asylum and guaranteed lifelong financial aid in Sweden? Torch a synagogue
Violent attacks against Jews in Berlin and Zurich largely commited by German Muslims
Fear Thy Neighbor: Radicalization and Jihadist Attacks in the West
Jewish men beaten with belt in Berlin anti-Semitic attack
Jews Are Fleeing France in Droves As Anti-Semitism Goes Unchecked
Hostages taken in armed siege in the south of France after gunmen shoot at police. UPDATED (weird how terrorism by white folks isn't getting any love, eh?)
New York: Suicide bomber -'Explosion' at Manhattan bus terminal. 1 Suspect in custody. 4 injured (I mean....it makes up the vast majority of US terror attacks...)
Europe’s Growing Muslim Population (Pew Research Center)
50% of the Muslims between the ages of 15-25 are radical and hostile to French society
Bomb 'found at Paris Saint-Germain's stadium before 50,000 fans turned up to watch them play
Car ploughs into soldiers on patrol in Paris leaving 6 injured. Suspect in custody.
Knife attack in Russian city of Surgut, attacker killed by police
Machete attack in Hamburg. Attacker screamed Allah akbar
Muslim leaders make formal complaint over 'Islamophobic' banners at London Pride
Muslims and left-wing extremists behind most antisemitic violence according to a European study
European Survey - Islam's lack of compatibility, threat to National Identity, fear of terrorism.
2017 EU Terrorism Report - Leftwing extremists and Muslims are extremely overrepresented
22 people injured, 1 dead by car in New York Times square
George Soros financing European Muslim Brotherhood groups
Truck hits people in central Stockholm - 3 dead so far
Several hurt in shooting near Houston strip mall (dang, you accidentally caught a white nationalist shooter in your net here)
Germany warns its citizens to stockpile food and water in case of terror attack
Jewish rabbi stabbed by attacker shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in France
Int.study shows wealth and high education are risk factors for Muslim radicalisation

It seems you aren't just worried about the welfare state you care about so much. It seems you're also taking care to worry about the United States, Germany, France, Switzerland, and Finland.

I imagine that you only caring about the evil and scariness of Muslims (the world over), and seemingly not anyone else, is just a coincidence. But thank you, surely, for reminding Westerners of the danger of Muslims. As we all know, it's otherwise completely underestimated.

Why would he cover white terrorism? He’s not in America. Islamic terrorism is just about all of the terrorism he’s dealing with in his country and his neighborhood (Europe)

 

[Deleted member 457759]

If the Swedes had been better educated they could have been less racist which is obviously why the bombings are happening.

 

[Trotsky]

An important detail that you have completely missed is the seriousness that prevails in this country. The environmental party (MP) and the left (V) appear to be completely unrealistic in most people's eyes. The fact is that we have received more refugees per capita than any other country in Europe. Those who come from the Middle East come with a mindset that cannot work in a highly educated country like Sweden. You talk about Mexicans who have a higher work ethic and work more hours than us. What does it have to do with living in a country that requires a higher education in order to get a job that you want to enjoy at all? Our system is not based on the fact that there must be millions of people doing unskilled jobs that others do not want.

Poor Mexicans who work more hours than us also live in a class society. I think it's funny that you hang up on what I said about high work ethic in our DNA. It was more a way of describing us Swedes and how over time we have had a high level of confidence in the state, but you can't imagine that, living in a country with low confidence in the state. The fact that I can be proud to hear from other nationalities that we are hardworking, organized, faithful and usually too kind for our own good is part of describing us as Swedish. The Swedish state has done a good job with the good reputation about Sweden, but has completely come astray when it comes to the reception of people who are illiterate and who will be in eternal welfare support.

In Sweden, we are strongly committed to freedom and responsibility, but that system cannot work when 80 percent of those who have come since 2015 cannot get a job. Our system of security in the form of a generous welfare cannot work if the workers who have arrived are not compatible with our labor market. I think it is deeply sad that the only thing you can come up with is to draw parallels to racism and that we do not show solidarity. Who are you to tell us when our world-famous system is about to be destroyed?

Where is my solidarity by paying a higher tax from 2020 through an increased municipal tax? My total tax will then be at 54 percent because my municipality goes minus and I have to take responsibility and pay for others who do not have jobs. How dare you be so insolent?

So....more waxing about how awesome Sweden and its people are while resting on blanket assertions that Middle Eastern immigrants will never be able to contribute to society? Oh my, how dare I have ever insinuated you were a racist piece of filth.

And finally. Where have I written that I wish my country to be demolished before I can kick out the immigrants? You're lying POS @Trotsky

Derp.

I would not have cared much if the fifth of our population had been as productive as Swedes with high work ethic in their DNA. But that is unfortunately not the case. Had the figure been one tenth of the population, it would have been manageable. But with these new people with a totally opposite way of looking at community and responsibility with regard to the bigger picture, I would like to say that we will go bankrupt before the foreign population has become a majority.

And, mind you, that this is a systemic pattern of right-wing argument through history: feigning to revere the left-created systems that they did or would have vehemently opposed at their creation on the same bases as their new opposition. Just like American reactionaries opposed free speech and freedom of religion but now pretend to defend them in order to weaponize them against minority social groups. My prediction, and you can value it as little as you want, is that you would have opposed the erection of the Nordic model in decades past on the same bases of "I don't want my tax dollars paying for some lazy mooches who don't contribute!" that you use to attack refugees now.

 

[Seano]

We think we have rights when we buy expensive apartments, says a toddler mom in the area.

Jesus Christ
I mean teen mom is a goddamned disaster show but whos fucking these toddlers

This mentality is quite common, see it all the time up here in Maine. There's a local bar that has some nice ocean view apartments over it. Bar has been there for literally 50-60 years. Some people moved into one of the apartments and tried to get the bar closed down. Its not like they didn't know it was there when they rented the place.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

there will be no assimilation

I mean how long have the Turks (some of the least fanatatical of all Muslims tbh) been in Germany in numbers?

how well have they assimilated? (virtually none)

Sweden is even LESS likely to pressure immigrants to assimilate (which really means respect women, don't molest/rape/grope/commit FGM, and don't be pederasts)

It also has NOTHING to do w/ race, swap N. Africans or Arabs for say Albanians and Chechens and people would feel exactly the same (if not moreso)

 

[TheGreatA]

Let's take a look at the threads you've started here. I'll just include ones that deal with Europe and the United States, since including all of the "omg look what happened in this Muslim country" threads as well would probably cause my post to exceed the character limit.

Hezbollah threatens to flood Europe with refugees
America’s White Saviors
Islamic extremist attacks in Europe increased 725% between 2007 and 2017
150,000 people have been killed by Islamists since 9/11 according to Die Welt am Sonntag
Islamist extremism caused 84,000 deaths worldwide in 2017, new report says
Finnish study: Immigration and public costs (some groups costs 1,000,000 Euros per individual)
Global disorder: The Sources of the West’s Decline
Birmingham school stops LGBT lessons after Muslim parents protest
The truth about George Soros (long read)
Arrests in 2015-2017 per EU member state and affilation and trends from 2011-2017 (source Europol)
Islamic antisemitism: How it orininated and spread (Caution: LONG READ)
Insulting the prophet Muhammad is not free speech according to ECtHR
German teen arrested for plotting bomb attack on gay nightclub and a church
How to get asylum and guaranteed lifelong financial aid in Sweden? Torch a synagogue
Violent attacks against Jews in Berlin and Zurich largely commited by German Muslims
Fear Thy Neighbor: Radicalization and Jihadist Attacks in the West
Jewish men beaten with belt in Berlin anti-Semitic attack
Jews Are Fleeing France in Droves As Anti-Semitism Goes Unchecked
Hostages taken in armed siege in the south of France after gunmen shoot at police. UPDATED (weird how terrorism by white folks isn't getting any love, eh?)
New York: Suicide bomber -'Explosion' at Manhattan bus terminal. 1 Suspect in custody. 4 injured (I mean....it makes up the vast majority of US terror attacks...)
Europe’s Growing Muslim Population (Pew Research Center)
50% of the Muslims between the ages of 15-25 are radical and hostile to French society
Bomb 'found at Paris Saint-Germain's stadium before 50,000 fans turned up to watch them play
Car ploughs into soldiers on patrol in Paris leaving 6 injured. Suspect in custody.
Knife attack in Russian city of Surgut, attacker killed by police
Machete attack in Hamburg. Attacker screamed Allah akbar
Muslim leaders make formal complaint over 'Islamophobic' banners at London Pride
Muslims and left-wing extremists behind most antisemitic violence according to a European study
European Survey - Islam's lack of compatibility, threat to National Identity, fear of terrorism.
2017 EU Terrorism Report - Leftwing extremists and Muslims are extremely overrepresented
22 people injured, 1 dead by car in New York Times square
George Soros financing European Muslim Brotherhood groups
Truck hits people in central Stockholm - 3 dead so far
Several hurt in shooting near Houston strip mall (dang, you accidentally caught a white nationalist shooter in your net here)
Germany warns its citizens to stockpile food and water in case of terror attack
Jewish rabbi stabbed by attacker shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in France
Int.study shows wealth and high education are risk factors for Muslim radicalisation

It seems you aren't just worried about the welfare state you care about so much. It seems you're also taking care to worry about the United States, Germany, France, Switzerland, and Finland.

I imagine that you only caring about the evil and scariness of Muslims (the world over), and seemingly not anyone else, is just a coincidence. But thank you, surely, for reminding Westerners of the danger of Muslims. As we all know, it's otherwise completely underestimated.

Islam isn't a race.

To call someone a racist for being critical or alarmist in regards to Islam, would be akin to calling somebody a racist for being critical or alarmist in regards to left-wing or right-wing political ideology. Or Christianity. Or any other set of beliefs.

You could argue that he's "religiously bigoted" or whatever, but if you want to throw the race card around, you should seek out posts and threads that refer to one's "race" rather than religion.

The level of debate is going to succumb pretty low here if we're going to start throwing "racist" accusations at people, merely because they are deemed to be "prejudiced" or "bigoted" against another's ideology. On that same token someone could call you a "racist" for being "bigoted" against American right-wingers or evangelicals, which I'm sure you'd agree is silly, yet equally as credible as an argument.

 

[Son of Jamin]

Let's take a look at the threads you've started here. I'll just include ones that deal with Europe and the United States, since including all of the "omg look what happened in this Muslim country" threads as well would probably cause my post to exceed the character limit.

Hezbollah threatens to flood Europe with refugees
America’s White Saviors
Islamic extremist attacks in Europe increased 725% between 2007 and 2017
150,000 people have been killed by Islamists since 9/11 according to Die Welt am Sonntag
Islamist extremism caused 84,000 deaths worldwide in 2017, new report says
Finnish study: Immigration and public costs (some groups costs 1,000,000 Euros per individual)
Global disorder: The Sources of the West’s Decline
Birmingham school stops LGBT lessons after Muslim parents protest
The truth about George Soros (long read)
Arrests in 2015-2017 per EU member state and affilation and trends from 2011-2017 (source Europol)
Islamic antisemitism: How it orininated and spread (Caution: LONG READ)
Insulting the prophet Muhammad is not free speech according to ECtHR
German teen arrested for plotting bomb attack on gay nightclub and a church
How to get asylum and guaranteed lifelong financial aid in Sweden? Torch a synagogue
Violent attacks against Jews in Berlin and Zurich largely commited by German Muslims
Fear Thy Neighbor: Radicalization and Jihadist Attacks in the West
Jewish men beaten with belt in Berlin anti-Semitic attack
Jews Are Fleeing France in Droves As Anti-Semitism Goes Unchecked
Hostages taken in armed siege in the south of France after gunmen shoot at police. UPDATED (weird how terrorism by white folks isn't getting any love, eh?)
New York: Suicide bomber -'Explosion' at Manhattan bus terminal. 1 Suspect in custody. 4 injured (I mean....it makes up the vast majority of US terror attacks...)
Europe’s Growing Muslim Population (Pew Research Center)
50% of the Muslims between the ages of 15-25 are radical and hostile to French society
Bomb 'found at Paris Saint-Germain's stadium before 50,000 fans turned up to watch them play
Car ploughs into soldiers on patrol in Paris leaving 6 injured. Suspect in custody.
Knife attack in Russian city of Surgut, attacker killed by police
Machete attack in Hamburg. Attacker screamed Allah akbar
Muslim leaders make formal complaint over 'Islamophobic' banners at London Pride
Muslims and left-wing extremists behind most antisemitic violence according to a European study
European Survey - Islam's lack of compatibility, threat to National Identity, fear of terrorism.
2017 EU Terrorism Report - Leftwing extremists and Muslims are extremely overrepresented
22 people injured, 1 dead by car in New York Times square
George Soros financing European Muslim Brotherhood groups
Truck hits people in central Stockholm - 3 dead so far
Several hurt in shooting near Houston strip mall (dang, you accidentally caught a white nationalist shooter in your net here)
Germany warns its citizens to stockpile food and water in case of terror attack
Jewish rabbi stabbed by attacker shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in France
Int.study shows wealth and high education are risk factors for Muslim radicalisation

It seems you aren't just worried about the welfare state you care about so much. It seems you're also taking care to worry about the United States, Germany, France, Switzerland, and Finland.

I imagine that you only caring about the evil and scariness of Muslims (the world over), and seemingly not anyone else, is just a coincidence. But thank you, surely, for reminding Westerners of the danger of Muslims. As we all know, it's otherwise completely underestimated.

Thanks for the catalogue! Some of those threads might not be about what you believe upon first review.

So it is racist to worry and write about issues that is plaguing Sweden, Christians, Jews, Women, Europeans?

Neo-Nazis are utterly useless and they don’t receive any support from the Swedish populace. If media didn’t write about them and their desperate demonstrations that only serve as a mean to get media to write about them, which at best helps them get more supporters.

When they constitute the very same threat, trust me, then I will post about them equally!

 

[Trotsky]

Why would he cover white terrorism? He’s not in America. Islamic terrorism is just about all of the terrorism he’s dealing with in his country and his neighborhood (Europe)

People killed by Islamic terrorism in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden (ever): 9

People killed by national right-wing terrorists in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden: 89

People killed by left-wing terrorists in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden: 4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Denmark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Sweden

Islam isn't a race.

To call someone a racist for being critical or alarmist in regards to Islam, would be akin to calling somebody a racist for being critical or alarmist in regards to left-wing or right-wing political ideology. Or Christianity. Or any other set of beliefs.

You could argue that he's "religiously bigoted" or whatever, but if you want to throw the race card around, you should seek out posts and threads that refer to one's "race" rather than religion.

The level of debate is going to succumb pretty low here if we're going to start throwing "racist" accusations at people, merely because they are deemed to be "prejudiced" or "bigoted" against another's ideology. On that same token someone could call you a "racist" for being "bigoted" against American right-wingers or evangelicals.

You know as well as anyone, even if you're fine to pretend otherwise, that religion is a proxy for race and that the two are inseparable. The posture and arguments would be the same if it were Nigerian Christians or Pakistani Hindus. Yet Bosnian Muslims, in my experience, get some certain slack interestingly enough. And you'll find that the hysteria is rarely, and when so done lazily, tied to theology, except to call in some disingenuous points about social conservatism.

Also, it's somewhat early in the game to start with the "but Islam isn't a race" argument.

 

[Ornife]

Native Swedes seem to reflexively cower in fear when accused of being uncharitable or racist.

Swedish fragility.

 

[Mendacious]

People killed by Islamic terrorism in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden (ever): 9

People killed by national right-wing terrorists in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden: 89

People killed by left-wing terrorists in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden: 4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Denmark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Sweden



You know as well as anyone, even if you're fine to pretend otherwise, that religion is a proxy for race and that the two are inseparable. The posture and arguments would be the same if it were Nigerian Christians or Pakistani Hindus. Yet Bosnian Muslims, in my experience, get some certain slack interestingly enough. And you'll find that the hysteria is rarely, and when so done lazily, tied to theology, except to call in some disingenuous points about social conservatism.

Also, it's somewhat early in the game to start with the "but Islam isn't a race" argument.

Good links, although Islamic terrorism being on par with right wing terrorists doesn’t exactly bode well considering Muslims are under 10% of the population

 

[Trotsky]

Good links, although Islamic terrorism being on par with right wing terrorists doesn’t exactly bode well considering Muslims are under 10% of the population

You consider 89 to be on par with 9?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Sweden is the canary in the coal mine for the rest of the world. We are all watching to see how your policy works out boyos.

Best of luck! If it back fires it will be too late to fix but at least the rest of us will learn from it either way.

Diversity is our strength. Please prove to the rest of the world that middle eastern enrichment is the way to go!

Nope. As with all radical ideologies (like socialism), when it fails they will just say 'that wasn't real diversity' and do it again. Canada will be in the same boat in 50 years.

 

[sweede]

So....more waxing about how awesome Sweden and its people are while resting on blanket assertions that Middle Eastern immigrants will never be able to contribute to society? Oh my, how dare I have ever insinuated you were a racist piece of filth.

Derp.

​

And, mind you, that this is a systemic pattern of right-wing argument through history: feigning to revere the left-created systems that they did or would have vehemently opposed at their creation on the same bases as their new opposition. Just like American reactionaries opposed free speech and freedom of religion but now pretend to defend them in order to weaponize them against minority social groups. My prediction, and you can value it as little as you want, is that you would have opposed the erection of the Nordic model in decades past on the same bases of "I don't want my tax dollars paying for some lazy mooches who don't contribute!" that you use to attack refugees now.

Now I will reveal what a lying delusional person you really are.

Given that you're not an idiot like most right-wingers here, it's pretty jarring when you explicitly regurgitate white nationalist talking points ("high work ethic in their DNA") and, despite ample research on immigrant assimilation occurring in the second generation, openly wish for your country to bankrupt itself before assimilation occurs so you can kick out these lazy, bad-DNA darkies.

I was unsure whether to move this to the Lounge or keep it in your thread, since it's hardly off-topic to call you a babbling race-griever in a thread you've more or less devoted to race grievance and in which you're having your points cosigned by some of the forum's most rabid racists like Happy Man, Son of Jamin, KOQ24, and uppercutbus.

Where have i written about lazy, bad-DNA darkies? I did not really understand what you wrote yesterday, but now as I read this, it is as if you have an inner racist demon who thinks exactly what you wrote. Because that's the truth, that you come up with things and try to insult me.

Then I want to inspect my quote. Can an English speaker see a parable in the phrase I wrote and the one he invented?

@sweede "I would like to say that we will go bankrupt before the foreign population has become a majority"

@Trotsky "openly wish for your country to bankrupt itself before assimilation occurs so you can kick out these lazy, bad-DNA darkies"

 

[Mendacious]

You consider 89 to be on par with 9?

I was looking at Sweden specifically since we’re talking about a Swedish person and counting the incidents not fatalities.

the fact that Norway had a terrorist attack that greatly inflated the numbers doesn’t mean that the amount of attacks are the same.

you would never let somebody get away with the claim that Muslims terrorists have killed 3,000+ Americans on American soil.

I’m not stupid and you’re not stupid, dont play these stupid games.

 

[TheGreatA]

You know as well as anyone, even if you're fine to pretend otherwise, that religion is a proxy for race and that the two are inseparable. The posture and arguments would be the same if it were Nigerian Christians or Pakistani Hindus. Yet Bosnian Muslims, in my experience, get some certain slack interestingly enough. And you'll find that the hysteria is rarely, and when so done lazily, tied to theology, except to call in some disingenuous points about social conservatism.

Also, it's somewhat early in the game to start with the "but Islam isn't a race" argument.

Umm, no I don't know. Islam has over 1+ billion adherents. Which race in particular do you believe all of these people to belong to? The people that came in during the recent refugee wave, certainly, seem to be a rather "diverse group" consisting of Iraqis, Afghans, Bangladeshi, Somalians, Libyans, Nigerians, etc.

I've seen people be critical of a Khabib Nurmagomedov as much as any Muslim, even if Khabib might be a "Caucasian" rather than Arab. And part of that criticisms might have to do with his own actions rather than any prejudice against him (such as his support of local Islamic tyrants and repression of anything deemed "un-Islamic").

The criticism absolutely has to do with the fact that Islam is a set of beliefs, which unlike European Christianity, has not been "separated from the state". In fact, political Islam seems to go hand-in-hand with religious Islam, for many of its adherents, particularly from some of the more "fundamental" regions. And the agenda of "political Islam" just completely rails against all of the beliefs that even the more "conservative" Westerners subscribe to, let alone someone like yourself.

The reality of this has hit some of the more "tolerant" and left-leaning members of European societies (which @sweede belongs to), while you may continue to entertain your delusions of peaceful co-existence in the relative "safe zone" of America, where Islam holds no significant stake as a political, social and cultural player. No doubt in my mind, knowing your mental make-up, your secularism, your deep-seated left-wing beliefs, that you'd quickly turn into a staunch critic of Islam if you were to feel its influence in a manner similar to Evangelicalism in America. And suddenly it would be you being struck with these very same accusations that you're so generously throwing out at others, as an "Islamophobe" and a "racist".

 

[Happy Man]

Trotsky wishes to see your nations destroyed. He hates you. Remember that.

And he’s a middle eastern interventionist war mongering who licks neocon boots.

He is a globalist. No doubt about it. Every point of view he has is the globalist final goal.

know your enemy.