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Looks like that feminist government is working out real well for them.
I hope the rest of the world is watching.
I hope the rest of the world is watching.
Social Sweden. Update: Came in Ferrari - applied for social benefits
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I wouldn't even accept them as refugees. There's too many white cucks in America as it is.
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Say something next time. You guys are too polite and letting this nonsense happen. Tell them they are fools and that they're even bigger fools if they think others can't see that.
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Hungarians only have their language left of their finni-urgic heritage. Well, that and a horse culture heritage and random oddities that seem out of place in Europe. One of the fathers of the US cavalry was a Magyar huszár officer.
Having said that, you'll be hard pressed to find a more stubborn people. After 500 years of being under the thumb of one super power after another, they're still stubbornly hanging on to their history, and their now Euro ethnic roots. There was a French historian in the 14th century that predicted the extinction on the Magyar language and culture by the 17th century. Yet here we are, still a distinct society while France is being diluted in all ways. Hell, there are western Euros moving to Budapest, learning the language and appreciating the culture. How times have changed in just a few decades.
So as to what Hungary will be like in a few hundred years? More populous and prosperous (largest yearly gdp growth in the EU currently), genetically Euro mutts, but culturally Magyar, and still speaking one of the most difficult languages on this globe of ours. I'd bet on it.
And that concludes this edition of "useless shit nobody wanted to learn about an insignificant little country".
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You've produced Liszt, so you're already more significant than entire continents.And that concludes this edition of "useless shit nobody wanted to learn about an insignificant little country".
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Ballpoint pen, Houdini, a significant number of Hollywood actors (well, most are half), high summer Olympic metals per capita and the same for Nobel laureates. At the same time on the wrong side of history too often and an arrogance not earned by recent successes. It really is an interesting little country that punches above its weight and exemplifies the best and the worst of humanity. My pet theory is that it's due to being pure, 100% mutts that are influenced, and appropriate from everyone nearby yet hold themselves apart. Being smack dab in the middle of a diverse neighborhood has its advantages as well as drawbacks.
So different from Sweden in so many ways, yet both countries could benefit from learning from each other.
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Hungarians only have their language left of their finni-urgic heritage. Well, that and a horse culture heritage and random oddities that seem out of place in Europe. One of the fathers of the US cavalry was a Magyar huszár officer.
Having said that, you'll be hard pressed to find a more stubborn people. After 500 years of being under the thumb of one super power after another, they're still stubbornly hanging on to their history, and their now Euro ethnic roots. There was a French historian in the 14th century that predicted the extinction on the Magyar language and culture by the 17th century. Yet here we are, still a distinct society while France is being diluted in all ways. Hell, there are western Euros moving to Budapest, learning the language and appreciating the culture. How times have changed in just a few decades.
So as to what Hungary will be like in a few hundred years? More populous and prosperous (largest yearly gdp growth in the EU currently), genetically Euro mutts, but culturally Magyar, and still speaking one of the most difficult languages on this globe of ours. I'd bet on it.
And that concludes this edition of "useless shit nobody wanted to learn about an insignificant little country".
They are still standing, but they do occupy a very tough spot and will have to defend itself against pressure from Russia, Western Europe, and the Mohammedans.
The moment they manage to build something of worth, there'll be plenty of people looking to take it away from them.
Can you imagine if Hungary boasted the same level of wealth, and offered comparable welfare services, and had as naive a government as a Sweden, when it comes to immigration and self-defense? They would be cleaned up in a hurry.
In a sense, it might be best for these East Euro countries to be coming off of the madness of Communism, and the economic lows they suffered as a result, so that they'll be able to bear witness to the foolishness of Western and Northern Europe, without partaking in it. By the time they manage to build wealth, they'll know better than to waste it on building utopias.
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First rule of real estate - location, location, location. As you implied, you Fins are much more finni-urgic than your distant cousins and I believe that is due to finding a more isolated area to settle.
Magyars have been dealing with incursions for over 800 years from significant powers so what you're saying is nothing new. There's a reason the Pannonian Plain wasn't densely populated when they settled there. Hard to make a living in an easily navigable area between the east and west. Even if they marked the end of the migration period.
My father recently moved back and he's amazed at the optimism, unity, peace and growing economy. At the same time "you don't work, you don't eat" is still a widely accepted way of thinking, so as of now the generosity displayed by Sweden is an inconceivable thing even if they could afford it. But that can change once those who remember living behind the curtain die off and hardships become but a memory.
Interesting times we live in. Said everyone who ever lived.
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@Cole train has mentioned a few important factors that are very descriptive of the generation that governs the country. Namely, they do not have a realistic idea of the evil that exists in the world.
They are completely taken to bed how to deal with the type of crime carried out by young immigrants in our larger cities. As it is now, an overwhelming majority of our parties want to deal with this in a Swedish lawful way against an opponent who really demands a radically tougher grip. In our case with fighting gang crime, our legislation is an outdated version that does not work. At a time when cities are being depopulated by law-abiding Swedes and the proportion of immigrants is greater than the indigenous population(Malmö), there are customs and traditions that come in strong opposition with our Swedish laws. Habits that in the former homeland can only be resolved through tribal justice.
Honor culture which in Swedish eyes is something barbaric and appalling, which we perceive as something aggressive and usually created by a short fuse. That an insult can lead to the death of another. Totally strange things among politicians and the rest of the Swedish population. If all these murders had now been about murders among their own members who live by these rules, I honestly would not have bothered. But the reality of recent times has become another and their ´who has the biggest worm-war´ with each other has moved out to areas where innocents can die, and this is unacceptable.
In my opinion it must be hard against hard and we must appoint people who are allowed to exercise other rules of the game than those allowed in Sweden. A little of that rule of law SÄPO (security police) has received since they have recently arrested Imams and expelled them on their own. Without transparency, trial etc.
The police has already a taskforce in Malmö who focus on disruptive operations. We need more of that. You need to attack, irritate and interfere on everyone around these criminal individuals, mother, father, sister, girlfriend etc. They should focus on chasing their money, cars, watches and other status symbols etc. Zero tolerance on dealings with criminals. If you want to house your criminal son at home, is equal to a big fat NO from the social welfare system for that family.
Finally before I present the follow up news from yesterday's blasting and shooting, I have received information from the dead doctor's case which describes the sick mentality that prevails among them.
The man who was married to the killed woman comes from Palestine. He has served a prison sentence for a robbery against a value transport in Denmark that gave SEK 80 million. Much of the money has never been recovered. After serving a sentence, the man has escaped many murder attempts. He is a very feared man who eats steroids. His father held a high position in the security service and was the bodyguard of a highrank in Palestine. He has certainly been a big part of why his son has not died. Through advice on how to avoid dangerous situations, etc.
The theory of the Malmö police is that other criminals shot the wife as punishment. Maybe he would lose focus in this way and start making mistakes so that they can easily kill him. But as it is now he keeps a low profile as the police have him and his 3 brothers under the watch around the clock. But we can expect revenge campaigns in Malmö in the near future. That is for sure.
Naief Adawi (gang leader) och Karolin Hakim (shot dead) and their child.
Salam Shebani, 19, Syria has been arrested for the murder of Karolin Hakim
Tarek Yassin Bekar, 23 was arrested for probable cause for suspected murder, aiding in attempted murder and assisting in serious weapons crime. He is also the guy I mentioned as working as a leisure leader in my town. Great role model right here!
Tarek Yassin Bekar´s arrest request
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This is unique, 2019-09-15
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/8mWp7W/polisen-detta-ar-unikt-for-lund
In the course of three weeks, organized crime has hit hard on three, apparently outsiders, young women. On August 26, 31-year-old young mother Karolin Hakim is shot to death on an open street in Malmö. On September 8, 18-year-old Ndella Jack was shot with automatic fire and died. On the night of Saturday, a young female student is seriously injured by an explosive charge as she walks through central Lund. Witnesses to the incident have reported how the woman screams shortly after the explosion, falls to her knees and then collapses on the street. Ewa-Gun Westford, Spokesperson of the Police Region South, is horrified and surprised by the act.
- She happened to pass exactly in the second the explosion happens. She has no chance to defend herself. This is unique. We have not had that kind of crime in Lund before.
Although the deaths in which the three women were affected differed greatly from one another, Ewa-Gun Westford believes that the use of violence in criminal circles has generally been given a new dimension. The serious criminals do not always belong to stable gangs - with some code of honor - but to the occasional war of everyone against everyone. Where a small spark can trigger extreme violence.
- Something brand new has come in. That was not the case a few years ago. You are not so loyal but go in and out of gang formation. And that can be extremely, for us, small reasons for taking to the grand scale, says Ewa-Gun Westford.
The situation becomes extra toxic as there are plenty of weapons and explosives in circulation. The detonation at the grocery store on Stora Södergatan in Lund had great explosive power and blew out windows on several adjacent properties. It was located in a frequently occurring way - outside the front door.
No suspects have been arrested. The shopkeeper has said in interrogation that there is no threat to him.
- The interrogations have not provided anything we can spin on, says Ewa-Gun Westford.
Anders Larsson, the country responsible for serious crimes in education, does not want to make a specific statement about the explosion in Lund, but says there may be several motives for an attack on a grocery store.
- A motive can be found in trying to exercise extortion. Another motive may be insurance fraud. Or injustices between families, says Anders Larsson.
He is appalled that explosives are used in criminal settlements.
- It's nasty in that the effect is not controllable. The risk is that it will have effects that not even the perpetrator wants.
They are completely taken to bed how to deal with the type of crime carried out by young immigrants in our larger cities. As it is now, an overwhelming majority of our parties want to deal with this in a Swedish lawful way against an opponent who really demands a radically tougher grip. In our case with fighting gang crime, our legislation is an outdated version that does not work. At a time when cities are being depopulated by law-abiding Swedes and the proportion of immigrants is greater than the indigenous population(Malmö), there are customs and traditions that come in strong opposition with our Swedish laws. Habits that in the former homeland can only be resolved through tribal justice.
Honor culture which in Swedish eyes is something barbaric and appalling, which we perceive as something aggressive and usually created by a short fuse. That an insult can lead to the death of another. Totally strange things among politicians and the rest of the Swedish population. If all these murders had now been about murders among their own members who live by these rules, I honestly would not have bothered. But the reality of recent times has become another and their ´who has the biggest worm-war´ with each other has moved out to areas where innocents can die, and this is unacceptable.
In my opinion it must be hard against hard and we must appoint people who are allowed to exercise other rules of the game than those allowed in Sweden. A little of that rule of law SÄPO (security police) has received since they have recently arrested Imams and expelled them on their own. Without transparency, trial etc.
The police has already a taskforce in Malmö who focus on disruptive operations. We need more of that. You need to attack, irritate and interfere on everyone around these criminal individuals, mother, father, sister, girlfriend etc. They should focus on chasing their money, cars, watches and other status symbols etc. Zero tolerance on dealings with criminals. If you want to house your criminal son at home, is equal to a big fat NO from the social welfare system for that family.
Finally before I present the follow up news from yesterday's blasting and shooting, I have received information from the dead doctor's case which describes the sick mentality that prevails among them.
The man who was married to the killed woman comes from Palestine. He has served a prison sentence for a robbery against a value transport in Denmark that gave SEK 80 million. Much of the money has never been recovered. After serving a sentence, the man has escaped many murder attempts. He is a very feared man who eats steroids. His father held a high position in the security service and was the bodyguard of a highrank in Palestine. He has certainly been a big part of why his son has not died. Through advice on how to avoid dangerous situations, etc.
The theory of the Malmö police is that other criminals shot the wife as punishment. Maybe he would lose focus in this way and start making mistakes so that they can easily kill him. But as it is now he keeps a low profile as the police have him and his 3 brothers under the watch around the clock. But we can expect revenge campaigns in Malmö in the near future. That is for sure.
Naief Adawi (gang leader) och Karolin Hakim (shot dead) and their child.
Salam Shebani, 19, Syria has been arrested for the murder of Karolin Hakim
Tarek Yassin Bekar, 23 was arrested for probable cause for suspected murder, aiding in attempted murder and assisting in serious weapons crime. He is also the guy I mentioned as working as a leisure leader in my town. Great role model right here!
Tarek Yassin Bekar´s arrest request
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This is unique, 2019-09-15
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/8mWp7W/polisen-detta-ar-unikt-for-lund
In the course of three weeks, organized crime has hit hard on three, apparently outsiders, young women. On August 26, 31-year-old young mother Karolin Hakim is shot to death on an open street in Malmö. On September 8, 18-year-old Ndella Jack was shot with automatic fire and died. On the night of Saturday, a young female student is seriously injured by an explosive charge as she walks through central Lund. Witnesses to the incident have reported how the woman screams shortly after the explosion, falls to her knees and then collapses on the street. Ewa-Gun Westford, Spokesperson of the Police Region South, is horrified and surprised by the act.
- She happened to pass exactly in the second the explosion happens. She has no chance to defend herself. This is unique. We have not had that kind of crime in Lund before.
Although the deaths in which the three women were affected differed greatly from one another, Ewa-Gun Westford believes that the use of violence in criminal circles has generally been given a new dimension. The serious criminals do not always belong to stable gangs - with some code of honor - but to the occasional war of everyone against everyone. Where a small spark can trigger extreme violence.
- Something brand new has come in. That was not the case a few years ago. You are not so loyal but go in and out of gang formation. And that can be extremely, for us, small reasons for taking to the grand scale, says Ewa-Gun Westford.
The situation becomes extra toxic as there are plenty of weapons and explosives in circulation. The detonation at the grocery store on Stora Södergatan in Lund had great explosive power and blew out windows on several adjacent properties. It was located in a frequently occurring way - outside the front door.
No suspects have been arrested. The shopkeeper has said in interrogation that there is no threat to him.
- The interrogations have not provided anything we can spin on, says Ewa-Gun Westford.
Anders Larsson, the country responsible for serious crimes in education, does not want to make a specific statement about the explosion in Lund, but says there may be several motives for an attack on a grocery store.
- A motive can be found in trying to exercise extortion. Another motive may be insurance fraud. Or injustices between families, says Anders Larsson.
He is appalled that explosives are used in criminal settlements.
- It's nasty in that the effect is not controllable. The risk is that it will have effects that not even the perpetrator wants.
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Tjena!
I am interested in how you got this information? I really hope that is not true. In any case, they are in stark contrast to the Migration Board own forecast.
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Up to 3,000 new family-connection cases per year are expected to be received by 2022. This is stated by the Migration Board in a forecast after the new family immigration rules came into force. At the same time, the authority expects that slightly fewer seek asylum in Sweden.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/21-000-asylsokande-vantas-komma-per-ar-fram-till-2022/
The Swedish Migration Board estimates that around 21,000 annually apply for asylum in Sweden until 2022. The new forecast means a reduction of 1,000 asylum seekers for next year compared with the forecast in May, 2019.
At the same time, the forecast for incoming family-connection cases has been written up by between 2,000 and 3,000 per year, after the Riksdag pushed the new family immigration rules. By 2022, the forecast is 10,000 applications.
Due to the fact that more relatives of former asylum seekers are expected to arrive in Sweden, and that more connection issues are expected to be settled next year, the Migration Board has also upgraded the forecast for the municipalities' reception. The municipalities are expected to receive about 27,500 newly arrived people with residence permits this year and about 23,000 next year, an increase of 3,000 compared to the May forecast. At the same time, waiting times are falling. In 2019, the average time is expected to be around seven months and in 2020 approximately five months.
- Waiting times have been historically high in recent years but now they are declining rapidly, says Mikael Ribbenvik, Director General of the Migration Board.
A total of about 38,000 will be enrolled in the reception system by the end of 2022, according to the current forecast and funding. This is 3,000 more compared to the previous forecast. If the courts receive increased funding, the figure would be 26,000, according to the Migration Board. From the turn of the year, the authority takes over the migration activities at the embassies of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. But according to Ribbenvik, the estimated money is not enough.
- It can have serious consequences and the processing times at the embassies can be longer, he says.
It is mainly the processing time for connection cases that will increase, but students can also wait longer for decisions.
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Okay, but it is all about estimated applications. And then students from abroad, adoption, labor immigration are also included in immigration. We have to keep our thumbs that only a tenth is granted a residence permit among those who are illiterate. I don´t believe that all of them will get a permit as we as swedes will not allow it.
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What does "not all" mean? The odd Gypsy from Romania gets dropped, but everyone else stays as usuall. Or has anything changed? We don't deport here in Germany either, we give them money to return home so we have some nice stats for the media, but thats it.
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We also give them money to return, but what can we do about them returning again when they are allowed to stay in our country for 3 months according to EU rules? We also donated money to areas with Romas so that they can have the opportunity for school and the like. But the responsibility lies with Romania and, as it is now, they completely shit on Romas.
This issue with relatives' immigration is a tough question. You can see from their perspective that they want their loved ones in their vicinity and usually those who remain in their former homeland are weak and old. But as a result, those who come after will only become a burden to our economy.
Every application that is reviewed must be tough and fair and we can not say yes to everyone, and if that were the case then we in Sweden will protest.
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Isn't that the case right now and in the past!? Haven't heard about anything coming from sweden besides Greta.
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I don't know where you want to get with your questions. But after 2015 and the chaos that came after that, it is many more Swedes today who oppose themselves when there is talk of more immigration and at this time family-linked-immigration. With an integration that appears to be a nightmare, exclusively foreigners committing shootings and blasts and dismantling of our welfare to a light version, there are a wider circle of Swedes today who are genuinely pissed off.
So no, we really are not positive about more immigration from areas that should have sought places with more compatible culture.
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Not saying people aren't critical of the immigration, but is there actuall change in the policies regarding immigration? People here complain all the time, but defacto there are only few addaptions to the law which result in nothing and i don't see any solutions to the problems we already have here. Alot of talking very little action. And from reading this thread it looks similar in Sweden.
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It is a bit of the point of the thread to highlight our problems in society. There is no talk to stop covering up reality of Sweden exactly. Do you think so?
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Yeah, there is some element of denial within the media and you said it yourself within the thread.
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Being happy after seeing the news may not be the usual thing for me, but today I was happy. Things are really happening in Sweden. This is a sign that those who rule have become more aware of all the alarm signals from us facing the reality of society every day.
The first good news is that half my party is demanding that the government (S, my party, left on the political scale) put a number on how many refugees we can have in the country. This should not be confused with how many who can apply. As I belong to the part of the party that look towards the center, it is good that Lars Stjernkvist (S, left-center) has been appointed by the think tank to come up with a proposal on how the Social Democrats should push the immigrant politics in the future. He is also positive about how the social democrats in Denmark have had to adapt and go more to the center so as not to lose voters.
Local S-leaders around Sweden telling the truth about the failed integration and how it will get worse if more people are allowed to get residence permit in the news?? Wow, I´m in heaven!
The second good news is that of the ongoing talk with all parties (except SD, Sweden Democrats) is moving nicely forward. We are in the process of updating the law in Sweden with regard to gang crime. Hurraah!
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The forensic psychiatrist wants to drop the penalty for young gang criminals, 2019-09-15
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/...-slopa-straffrabatten-for-unga-gangkriminella
If the Environmental Party (MP, the most refugee loving party, sits in government) changes, the penalty discount for 18-21 year olds can disappear. Forensic psychiatrist Marianne Kristiansson welcomes a change in the law - although research shows that the brain is only fully developed several years later.
- They know the consequences, but they don't care, she tells SVT News.
According to SVT (Swedish Television), the MP can now be ready to drop the so-called penalty discount for 18-21 year olds, which means that the proposal could become a reality. The issue is hot but not uncontroversial. The proposal has been criticized by heavy referral bodies, for example when research shows that the consistency approach is not fully developed in young people. The frontal lobe - the part of the brain that controls our impulse control, among other things - is not developed until the age of 20-25.
- The parts of the brain that are sensitive to different types of rewards are developed earlier. If you do not have these control functions in place, for some young people it may be that they take too great risks. They may have behaviors such as crime and abuse. Therefore, the penalty discount is to some extent logical, says Marianne Kristiansson.
Despite this, Marianne Kristiansson thinks that the penalty discount must be reviewed.
Marianne Kristiansson, forensic psychiatrist and chief physician at the Swedish Forensic Medicines Agency
- If you ask what I think, this should be weighed against the situation now prevailing, where quite young people commit very serious crimes without getting long penalties.
Are you for or against removing the penalty discount?
- There is no simple answer to that question. There are different groups of individuals who commit crimes in their teens, and when it comes to those who belong to criminal gangs and who commit very serious crimes, we may have to think about. There, I don't think you can have a penalty.
Criminologist Camila Salazar Atías, who works in the Fryshusets (a large building with wide range of activities aimed at young people in Stockholm) project Cides on issues relating to young people and crime, would prefer not to abolish the penalty discount.
Criminologist Camila Salazar Atías
- This is problematic for us. The group for which you want to drop the penalty is small, but this affects a much larger group. This can strengthen the criminal identity, which most people who commit the most common type of crime at this age do not actually have. There is a great risk that this will fail, she says.
According to Camila Salazar Atías, the proposal for a delayed penalty discount has no support in the research. She believes that, if it is introduced, the punitive penalty discount should apply only to serious criminal offenses such as murder and murder.
- On the whole, I am not about to drop the penalty, but if you are going to do it now, I think a distinction with this type of exception is a better way to go.
In July, 2019, Malmö District Court acquitted the 20-year-old man who was charged with the murder of a 24-year-old man in the Lindängen district of Malmö. The picture was taken when the motorcycle used in the shooting was found near the crime scene.
Marianne Kristiansson agrees:
- I agree. Above all, if you are going to drop the penalty, it should apply to those who have had constant relapses and commit very serious crimes. You have to be able to separate them from society for a long time.
Do you think that these individuals, despite the brain's development, are so damaging to society that it weighs over?
- Yes absolutely. They understand very well what they do. They trade entirely on their own profit and make money from what they do. They probably understand what the consequences may be, but they simply don't care. What is particularly nasty now is that they do not get stuck for the really serious crimes, which is a positive feedback for them.
I'm thinking of the Solvalla murder, where Janne Raninen took on the task of murdering Dragan Joksovíc just because he wasn't 21 yet.
- Yes exactly. These are not sick people but personality-disordered criminal individuals with psychopathic traits, which means that you do not care. But they understand that this is wrong. And that is why I think that the penalty penalty should be dropped, at least when it comes to serious crimes and recidivists.
The first good news is that half my party is demanding that the government (S, my party, left on the political scale) put a number on how many refugees we can have in the country. This should not be confused with how many who can apply. As I belong to the part of the party that look towards the center, it is good that Lars Stjernkvist (S, left-center) has been appointed by the think tank to come up with a proposal on how the Social Democrats should push the immigrant politics in the future. He is also positive about how the social democrats in Denmark have had to adapt and go more to the center so as not to lose voters.
Local S-leaders around Sweden telling the truth about the failed integration and how it will get worse if more people are allowed to get residence permit in the news?? Wow, I´m in heaven!
The second good news is that of the ongoing talk with all parties (except SD, Sweden Democrats) is moving nicely forward. We are in the process of updating the law in Sweden with regard to gang crime. Hurraah!
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The forensic psychiatrist wants to drop the penalty for young gang criminals, 2019-09-15
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/...-slopa-straffrabatten-for-unga-gangkriminella
If the Environmental Party (MP, the most refugee loving party, sits in government) changes, the penalty discount for 18-21 year olds can disappear. Forensic psychiatrist Marianne Kristiansson welcomes a change in the law - although research shows that the brain is only fully developed several years later.
- They know the consequences, but they don't care, she tells SVT News.
According to SVT (Swedish Television), the MP can now be ready to drop the so-called penalty discount for 18-21 year olds, which means that the proposal could become a reality. The issue is hot but not uncontroversial. The proposal has been criticized by heavy referral bodies, for example when research shows that the consistency approach is not fully developed in young people. The frontal lobe - the part of the brain that controls our impulse control, among other things - is not developed until the age of 20-25.
- The parts of the brain that are sensitive to different types of rewards are developed earlier. If you do not have these control functions in place, for some young people it may be that they take too great risks. They may have behaviors such as crime and abuse. Therefore, the penalty discount is to some extent logical, says Marianne Kristiansson.
Despite this, Marianne Kristiansson thinks that the penalty discount must be reviewed.
Marianne Kristiansson, forensic psychiatrist and chief physician at the Swedish Forensic Medicines Agency
- If you ask what I think, this should be weighed against the situation now prevailing, where quite young people commit very serious crimes without getting long penalties.
Are you for or against removing the penalty discount?
- There is no simple answer to that question. There are different groups of individuals who commit crimes in their teens, and when it comes to those who belong to criminal gangs and who commit very serious crimes, we may have to think about. There, I don't think you can have a penalty.
Criminologist Camila Salazar Atías, who works in the Fryshusets (a large building with wide range of activities aimed at young people in Stockholm) project Cides on issues relating to young people and crime, would prefer not to abolish the penalty discount.
Criminologist Camila Salazar Atías
- This is problematic for us. The group for which you want to drop the penalty is small, but this affects a much larger group. This can strengthen the criminal identity, which most people who commit the most common type of crime at this age do not actually have. There is a great risk that this will fail, she says.
According to Camila Salazar Atías, the proposal for a delayed penalty discount has no support in the research. She believes that, if it is introduced, the punitive penalty discount should apply only to serious criminal offenses such as murder and murder.
- On the whole, I am not about to drop the penalty, but if you are going to do it now, I think a distinction with this type of exception is a better way to go.
In July, 2019, Malmö District Court acquitted the 20-year-old man who was charged with the murder of a 24-year-old man in the Lindängen district of Malmö. The picture was taken when the motorcycle used in the shooting was found near the crime scene.
Marianne Kristiansson agrees:
- I agree. Above all, if you are going to drop the penalty, it should apply to those who have had constant relapses and commit very serious crimes. You have to be able to separate them from society for a long time.
Do you think that these individuals, despite the brain's development, are so damaging to society that it weighs over?
- Yes absolutely. They understand very well what they do. They trade entirely on their own profit and make money from what they do. They probably understand what the consequences may be, but they simply don't care. What is particularly nasty now is that they do not get stuck for the really serious crimes, which is a positive feedback for them.
I'm thinking of the Solvalla murder, where Janne Raninen took on the task of murdering Dragan Joksovíc just because he wasn't 21 yet.
- Yes exactly. These are not sick people but personality-disordered criminal individuals with psychopathic traits, which means that you do not care. But they understand that this is wrong. And that is why I think that the penalty penalty should be dropped, at least when it comes to serious crimes and recidivists.
