Social Sweden. Update: Came in Ferrari - applied for social benefits

[0_o]

When it comes to millions of people it's more meaningful to look at it by population, not individually. You're asking people to not notice patterns, that's impossible. Hence the nicest and most honest poster on the board, our dear sweede, is in despair.

except you don't prosecute patterns the way you prosecute individuals under the law

 

[TheGreatA]

except you don't prosecute patterns the way you prosecute individuals under the law

You develop enough of such patterns and you'll have many more individuals to prosecute.

If a group of individuals is committing crime at a massively disproportionate rate, you cannot afford to just ignore it.

If, for example, Sweden, equally spreads its resources into fighting overall crime committed by the Swedish population, they'd merely be wasting those resources, since the majority of Sweden commits very little crime. Focusing on crime hot-spots would see much better results.

Muddling the waters by making it seem that this is just a problem with "humanity" or a few bad apples or whatever, is just wasting everybody's time. There's a clear cultural problem, there's a clear problem with integration and sharing common social norms, there's a clear problem with groups of non-Swedes turning into social outcasts and seeing crime as a pathway, that problem needs to be resolved, sooner rather than later.

Any delay in reaching a resolution, is only going to make it worse for the people that are deemed to be "protected" by this blind and overly protective attitude towards the ethnic/cultural groups, which are most affected by the problems of crime and social isolation. They are not protected by it, they are hurt by it, and many people with immigrant backgrounds have come out saying that the government needs to do a better job of cracking down on the crime in their neighbourhoods. Turning a blind eye to that under the pretext of "racism" or whatever, just seems like pure cowardice at this point.

 

[sweede]

You develop enough of such patterns and you'll have many more individuals to prosecute.

If a group of individuals is committing crime at a massively disproportionate rate, you cannot afford to just ignore it.

If, for example, Sweden, equally spreads its resources into fighting overall crime committed by the Swedish population, they'd merely be wasting those resources, since the majority of Sweden commits very little crime. Focusing on crime hot-spots would see much better results.

Muddling the waters by making it seem that this is just a problem with "humanity" or a few bad apples or whatever, is just wasting everybody's time. There's a clear cultural problem, there's a clear problem with integration and sharing common social norms, there's a clear problem with groups of non-Swedes turning into social outcasts and seeing crime as a pathway, that problem needs to be resolved, sooner rather than later.

Any delay in reaching a resolution, is only going to make it worse for the people that are deemed to be "protected" by this blind and overly protective attitude towards the ethnic/cultural groups, which are most affected by the problems of crime and social isolation. They are not protected by it, they are hurt by it, and many people with immigrant backgrounds have come out saying that the governments need to do a better job of cracking down on the crime in their neighbourhoods. Turning a blind eye to that under the pretext of "racism" or whatever, just seems like pure cowardice at this point.

The problems in Malmö that will only get worse will not be solved if we do not change political direction and allow the opposition to come in place instead of the Social democrats (S) who have ruled the city since the voting rights were introduced in 1919 with minor delays of a few years in the 80s and 90s. As more than half of Malmö's population is of a different ethnic background, they choose to vote for S and this trend will not be broken.

The Moderates (M) who have been the other major party and who have been the opposition to S in modern times also see this problem. The party recently had a Convention in Malmö where this was said.

- Malmö and Sweden have 10 years to solve the integration problems. In the event of a failure, ordinary residents will give up faith in the community, arm themselves and live in the gated communities. Integration is absolutely crucial for which city and country we have in the future

- The police are doing a good job as far as they can, but the severe violence means that ordinary residents have less and less confidence that the state and authorities can secure their security. The reason for the problems is, according to Tegnhammar, that integration does not work. The S-government in Malmö tries to make up for the city's problems by focusing on festivals, investments in skateboarding, falafel World Cup and contributions to associations.

- Some of that money would be needed elsewhere. If we gain power, some of that will be given priority. Then maybe some people think we are boring but someone has to be responsible when Malmö has Sweden's worst elderly care and major integration problems.

The Malmo moderates cannot imagine running the city with SD before the latter party changes its integration policy. SD's policy reinforces segregation. We have a good conversation climate with them and can reach consensus on many issues, but as long as they are not prepared to support an ambitious integration policy but instead want to place people in caravans, we cannot cooperate fully, he says

A ban on halal meat in schools, which M has enforced in Staffanstorp. In Malmö, the focus should be on serving all students good, ethical and nutritious food, says the Moderates opposition council in Malmö Torbjörn Tegnhammar.

When the media and Swedish television are currently publishing images, information that publish criminals for the entire Swedish population, it can only be interpreted that it has now become acceptable to discuss ethnicity and who is practicing it. This is important for us to know, because we want to know what went wrong and whether ordinary Swedes commit rape and other crimes. The society created by mental differences has become to us and them.

How can integration work when we have areas that function as smaller countries where those who are our closest neighbors cannot find any affiliation and community with the rest of us? If you as a responsible parent want to secure your child's future and have the means to move to another area with good opportunities and reputation yet choose to apply for these enclaves? And these enclaves will be bigger and in the future, the enclaves will embrace the whole area of Malmö and Denmark will gradually become more negative for open border and will probably introduce a strict system where you, as a traveler across the strait, need to show a valid passport and a clean criminal record to come into Denmark at all.

Oh yes, the crimes. I haven't quite been able to accept it yet, that our country is becoming a hateful country. I think it's sad and the truth hurts. Yesterday on the news we again got a presentation of what is reality and a connection to why it has happened. During the past month we have had several serious rapes in Malmö, through more camera surveillance, the police have quickly published pictures in the media and the perpetrators themselves have chosen to go to the police. Precisely rape and the fact that there are usually more than one person raping is probably the most un-Swedish thing you can do in this country. Here are the statistics and you can think about the context yourself. They even had a slight decline in 2017-18 but it was also explained in an educational way.

Proportion of sexual offenses. Blue, sexual crimes. Purple, constraint. Green, utilization of defenseless position

Gender distribution. Blue, men. Purple, women

Age. Blue, men. Green, women

 

[TheGreatA]

The problems in Malmö that will only get worse will not be solved if we do not change political direction and allow the opposition to come in place instead of the Social democrats (S) who have ruled the city since the voting rights were introduced in 1919 with minor delays of a few years in the 80s and 90s. As more than half of Malmö's population is of a different ethnic background, they choose to vote for S and this trend will not be broken.

The Moderates (M) who have been the other major party and who have been the opposition to S in modern times also see this problem. The party recently had a Convention in Malmö where this was said.

- Malmö and Sweden have 10 years to solve the integration problems. In the event of a failure, ordinary residents will give up faith in the community, arm themselves and live in the gated communities. Integration is absolutely crucial for which city and country we have in the future

- The police are doing a good job as far as they can, but the severe violence means that ordinary residents have less and less confidence that the state and authorities can secure their security. The reason for the problems is, according to Tegnhammar, that integration does not work. The S-government in Malmö tries to make up for the city's problems by focusing on festivals, investments in skateboarding, falafel World Cup and contributions to associations.

- Some of that money would be needed elsewhere. If we gain power, some of that will be given priority. Then maybe some people think we are boring but someone has to be responsible when Malmö has Sweden's worst elderly care and major integration problems.

The Malmo moderates cannot imagine running the city with SD before the latter party changes its integration policy. SD's policy reinforces segregation. We have a good conversation climate with them and can reach consensus on many issues, but as long as they are not prepared to support an ambitious integration policy but instead want to place people in caravans, we cannot cooperate fully, he says

A ban on halal meat in schools, which M has enforced in Staffanstorp. In Malmö, the focus should be on serving all students good, ethical and nutritious food, says the Moderates opposition council in Malmö Torbjörn Tegnhammar.

When the media and Swedish television are currently publishing images, information that publish criminals for the entire Swedish population, it can only be interpreted that it has now become acceptable to discuss ethnicity and who is practicing it. This is important for us to know, because we want to know what went wrong and whether ordinary Swedes commit rape and other crimes. The society created by mental differences has become to us and them.

How can integration work when we have areas that function as smaller countries where those who are our closest neighbors cannot find any affiliation and community with the rest of us? If you as a responsible parent want to secure your child's future and have the means to move to another area with good opportunities and reputation yet choose to apply for these enclaves? And these enclaves will be bigger and in the future, the enclaves will embrace the whole area of Malmö and Denmark will gradually become more negative for open border and will probably introduce a strict system where you, as a traveler across the strait, need to show a valid passport and a clean criminal record to come into Denmark at all.

Oh yes, the crimes. I haven't quite been able to accept it yet, that our country is becoming a hateful country. I think it's sad and the truth hurts. Yesterday on the news we again got a presentation of what is reality and a connection to why it has happened. During the past month we have had several serious rapes in Malmö, through more camera surveillance, the police have quickly published pictures in the media and the perpetrators themselves have chosen to go to the police. Precisely rape and the fact that there are usually more than one person raping is probably the most un-Swedish thing you can do in this country. Here are the statistics and you can think about the context yourself. They even had a slight decline in 2017-18 but it was also explained in an educational way.

Proportion of sexual offenses. Blue, sexual crimes. Purple, constraint. Green, utilization of defenseless position

Gender distribution. Blue, men. Purple, women

Age. Blue, men. Green, women

The local government is ultimately sub-servient to the national government. As long as people vote the clowns out of the office, even if these same clowns will still occupy positions in places like Malmö, they won't be able to do as much damage. The real problem is that they've had the backing of the national government as well, therefore giving them a free pass to do anything they want.


Personally I believe that SD is Sweden's only true solution to these problems.

You have to have a hard line. They're about the closest you've got.


The reason why Finland probably won't encounter many of these problems is because people just keep voting hard-liners in power. Denmark has also done the same.


People will complain about the racist backgrounds of some of those politicians, but the thing is, they are at the very least fully invested in the issue of immigration, whereas other political parties have ulterior agendas. Even here you've had the "main-line parties" talking tough about immigration, and then immediately turning their attention away from it, towards putting more money in their own pockets, once elected into power. The so-called racists are the only ones that actually give a shit. Sad state of affairs perhaps, but that's how it is.

 

[Reginald Denny]

What a sad state of affairs for Sweden. The U.S. can relate in many ways.

You know, a lot of what goes on in Sweden goes on here in the U.S.. There was a time period in the U.S. where in many areas crime was extremely low, you could leave your house unlocked, etc.

People know this, people want to bury it. People don't want to accept the fact that not all societies and cultures are created equal nor can they work together. Yet, people deep down know this and they hate it.

It's unfortunate to spill these truths as in a perfect world all cultures would and should get a long, but not when values are different. Not when you have no respect for women, other religions and other peoples countries.

I hope Sweden can pull it together but it might be too late. The only way would probably take giving up certain areas, relocating actual Swedes and remembering what this recent past brought as to not repeat history.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You develop enough of such patterns and you'll have many more individuals to prosecute.

If a group of individuals is committing crime at a massively disproportionate rate, you cannot afford to just ignore it.

If, for example, Sweden, equally spreads its resources into fighting overall crime committed by the Swedish population, they'd merely be wasting those resources, since the majority of Sweden commits very little crime. Focusing on crime hot-spots would see much better results.

Muddling the waters by making it seem that this is just a problem with "humanity" or a few bad apples or whatever, is just wasting everybody's time. There's a clear cultural problem, there's a clear problem with integration and sharing common social norms, there's a clear problem with groups of non-Swedes turning into social outcasts and seeing crime as a pathway, that problem needs to be resolved, sooner rather than later.

Any delay in reaching a resolution, is only going to make it worse for the people that are deemed to be "protected" by this blind and overly protective attitude towards the ethnic/cultural groups, which are most affected by the problems of crime and social isolation. They are not protected by it, they are hurt by it, and many people with immigrant backgrounds have come out saying that the government needs to do a better job of cracking down on the crime in their neighbourhoods. Turning a blind eye to that under the pretext of "racism" or whatever, just seems like pure cowardice at this point.

I agree to an extent but law and order is only part of the resolution. That's just reacting to the problems in these communities, something more should be done to fundamentally tackle the problem.

 

[Sano]

The problems in Malmö that will only get worse will not be solved if we do not change political direction and allow the opposition to come in place instead of the Social democrats (S) who have ruled the city since the voting rights were introduced in 1919 with minor delays of a few years in the 80s and 90s. As more than half of Malmö's population is of a different ethnic background, they choose to vote for S and this trend will not be broken.

The Moderates (M) who have been the other major party and who have been the opposition to S in modern times also see this problem. The party recently had a Convention in Malmö where this was said.

- Malmö and Sweden have 10 years to solve the integration problems. In the event of a failure, ordinary residents will give up faith in the community, arm themselves and live in the gated communities. Integration is absolutely crucial for which city and country we have in the future

- The police are doing a good job as far as they can, but the severe violence means that ordinary residents have less and less confidence that the state and authorities can secure their security. The reason for the problems is, according to Tegnhammar, that integration does not work. The S-government in Malmö tries to make up for the city's problems by focusing on festivals, investments in skateboarding, falafel World Cup and contributions to associations.

- Some of that money would be needed elsewhere. If we gain power, some of that will be given priority. Then maybe some people think we are boring but someone has to be responsible when Malmö has Sweden's worst elderly care and major integration problems.

The Malmo moderates cannot imagine running the city with SD before the latter party changes its integration policy. SD's policy reinforces segregation. We have a good conversation climate with them and can reach consensus on many issues, but as long as they are not prepared to support an ambitious integration policy but instead want to place people in caravans, we cannot cooperate fully, he says

A ban on halal meat in schools, which M has enforced in Staffanstorp. In Malmö, the focus should be on serving all students good, ethical and nutritious food, says the Moderates opposition council in Malmö Torbjörn Tegnhammar.

When the media and Swedish television are currently publishing images, information that publish criminals for the entire Swedish population, it can only be interpreted that it has now become acceptable to discuss ethnicity and who is practicing it. This is important for us to know, because we want to know what went wrong and whether ordinary Swedes commit rape and other crimes. The society created by mental differences has become to us and them.

How can integration work when we have areas that function as smaller countries where those who are our closest neighbors cannot find any affiliation and community with the rest of us? If you as a responsible parent want to secure your child's future and have the means to move to another area with good opportunities and reputation yet choose to apply for these enclaves? And these enclaves will be bigger and in the future, the enclaves will embrace the whole area of Malmö and Denmark will gradually become more negative for open border and will probably introduce a strict system where you, as a traveler across the strait, need to show a valid passport and a clean criminal record to come into Denmark at all.

Oh yes, the crimes. I haven't quite been able to accept it yet, that our country is becoming a hateful country. I think it's sad and the truth hurts. Yesterday on the news we again got a presentation of what is reality and a connection to why it has happened. During the past month we have had several serious rapes in Malmö, through more camera surveillance, the police have quickly published pictures in the media and the perpetrators themselves have chosen to go to the police. Precisely rape and the fact that there are usually more than one person raping is probably the most un-Swedish thing you can do in this country. Here are the statistics and you can think about the context yourself. They even had a slight decline in 2017-18 but it was also explained in an educational way.

Proportion of sexual offenses. Blue, sexual crimes. Purple, constraint. Green, utilization of defenseless position

Gender distribution. Blue, men. Purple, women

Age. Blue, men. Green, women

This is a perfect example of how why you cant be trusted to represent statistics accurately. So thank you for posting this.

Besides being an excellent example of you choosing specific statistics you like, but rejecting others from the same sources as part of a conspiracy. You know perfectly well why the reports look like that. You know there's been systematic expanding in the laws and definitions of sexual assault, as well as a societal change in perception, in the last decade in Sweden. You know that the same assault can be reported several times. You also know that rape convictions, the metric that's been unchanged, have not increased during the same period. You know this context because we've talked about it before, last time three months ago. Which coincidently is the last time I remember talking with you before you randomly tagged me in this thread. Here's the reply I wrote then:

You claimed there hadn't been an increase in overall crime yes, but you showed graphs to the contrary that was self-reported. That's why I showed the reported numbers, as well as hospital visits.

Yes, the changes in laws do explain it to a large extent. There's been several smaller ones as well expanding other sex crimes. Even this year, Sweden implemented a new laws expanding rape even further to include verbal consent. The reason why the curve increases over time is that these changes takes time to show themselves statistically. First of all, there has to be awareness in the public about the laws and secondly perceptions have to change. It's a compounding effect of reports that can take years, especially with something as delicate as rape. This effect will also increase exponentially over time, as the same offense can be reported several times in Sweden.

Another important thing to consider is that while reports have increase, based on the expanding of laws, rape convictions have actually dropped or stagnated:

"Of the 1,190 conviction decisions in respect of sex offences in 2015, 171 had rape (including aggravated rape) as the primary offence. This is a reduction– 5 conviction decisions, or 3 per cent – as compared with the preceding year. During 2007 – 2016, the number of conviction decisions in respect of rape as the primary offence decreased by 46 decisions, or 21 per cent."
https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html

In regards to self reported data, it could certainly mean that more are getting harrassed, or it could mean that more feel harassed. There's a lot of biases here. Consider the Me-Too movement and the increased awareness of what is, and isn't, tolerable definitely changes womens perception of harassment. I'm not saying it doesn't mean anything, I'm saying there's a lot going on.

Yes, you're right that, as far as convictions goes, foreign born are overrepresentated in the rape statistics. At the same time, the most common form of rape is date rate and/or a spouse or friend and the conviction rates are way lower there, as it's much harder to prove.

Lastly, you're wrong about Denmark at least. There has actually been expansions of sexual offence laws, including a significant one in 2013, afterwards which rates have also increased but only marginally. It doesn't look anything like Sweden though, and our laws are not nearly as encompassing as the Swedish ones. No country in the world is.

I'm not saying there isn't a general problem with sexual culture, date rape AND some foreign groups in Scandinavia. There clearly is. But if you believe that the laws and public perception of rapes and sexual assaults hasn't been the prime mover for the increased rates then you're not being serious. This is not about handwaving actual problems, it's about looking at them objectively.

And here's the kicker, guess who liked my post and agreed with me? You did. Just 3 months ago.

But we talked more on crimes in Sweden:

You're making a few mistakes here. It'll be helpfull if you listed your sources, because what I'm seeing with some of your graphs don't make sense.

Sexual crimes and rape reports increasing over the last few decades in Sweden has some very obvious legislative as well as societal causes. I'm almost sure you know this already. It's best explained here.

"The number of reported rape offences has increased by 34 per cent over the last ten years (2009-2018). The increase can be partially explained by changes in the legislation, as from 1 July 2013, the sex offence legislation was made tougher; among other things rape was expanded to include cases where the victim reacts passively.

Other, far-reaching changes in the legislation were made on 1 April 2005. This legislation entails, among other things, that certain acts which were previously classified as sexual exploitation are now classified as rape. The effect of the statutory change appeared in the statistics such that the number of reported offences in respect of sexual coercion and exploitation declined in the years immediately following the statutory change while the number of reported rapes increased.

In the Swedish system, individual reports regarding a great number of offences may affect and give rise to variations in the statistic. For instance, when a single case is reported that turns out to involve hundreds or even thousands of instances of offences committed against an individual over the course of many years, every single incident is recorded as an offence in the year it was reported. It is also important to remember that non-reporting is particularly extensive for sex offences and changes in the inclination to report can affect the number of rapes in the statistic."
https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html

As far as the Assault stats goes, this is the newest avaliabe. First for reports:

And then hospital visits:

https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/violence-and-assault.html

In the case of threats and harassment, there's been a slight upward trend the last few years.

Furtunately there's been a slight fall again from 2016 onward, but that could just be normal fluctuation and not a downward trend:

"In the Swedish Crime Survey, 5.6 per cent of respondents state that they were exposed to threats during 2016. During 2017, 53,300 offences involving illegal threats were reported; this is a 2 per cent reduction as compared with 2016. The number of reported molestations decreased by 6 per cent to 52,200 reported offences."
https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/threats-and-harassment.html

Lastly in regards to lethal violence, that has pretty much been stagnant since the 2000s, with fluctuations and a slight upward trend the last few years. Good news it it's starting to fall again, bad news is that more women are being murdered:

"In relation to the population, the number of confirmed cases of lethal violence was 1.06 cases per 100,000 inhabitants in 2018, a lower level than in 2017 (1.12). The number of women increased from 0.54 to 0.65, whilst the number of men decreased from 1.70 to 1.47 (number of victims per 100,000 inhabitants)."
https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/murder-and-manslaughter.html

It's definitely true that gun crime has risen and is responsible for more of those murders. Almost exclusively men are killed by guns, and the majority of women by domestic violence.

"Since 2011, when the use of firearms was first introduced in the statistics, the number of cases of lethal violence with the use of a firearm has more than doubled, from 17 to 43 cases. In the cases where a firearm was used, the victim was a man in 98 per cent of the cases (42 cases), and only in 1 case was the victim a woman. The gender ratio for victims in the cases where a firearm was used has remained at the same level during the period 2011-2017."

Guess who also liked this? You.

You've been radicalised, and in a very short time too. Clear as day, viewing reality through a narrow distortion. You can't debate rationally, because you've become consumed by your obsession. Like the muslim fanatics you hate, like the "dessert dweller with an agenda" you've projected onto me. I could never highlight it better than this, so that's all there needs to be said.

 

[sweede]

In all my stress, i forgot to update what happened to the stored imams.

Dear my foreign brothers. Take a closer look at how rhetoric has changed among leftist parties in Sweden. Our Social Democratic party is heading in the same direction as the Danish one. This would be unlikely just 2 years ago. Our patience has run out and we are about to become pragmatic.

- On a moral level, it is clear that you are pissed. These are people who have been in Sweden for a long time, some of them for 20 years, and they thank us in this way, says Morgan Johansson

Morgan Johansson, minister of justice, Social democrats (S)

And what makes him and the Swedish people pissed off ? We cannot expel people who are a danger to the security of our kingdom.

According to the Security Police, the released imams pose a threat to Sweden's security - but they cannot be deported or kept imprisoned. The government claims that it is doing everything it can to get the men to leave the country but admits it is incredibly difficult. - Norway has been trying to expel Mulla Krekar for ten years, but that has not happened, says Minister of Justice Morgan Johansson (S).

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/...istern-om-slappta-imamerna-man-blir-forbannad

The six imams and religious leaders are believed to pose a security threat to Sweden and have been detained. The government wants to expel them by means of the Act on Special Foreigners Control, but none of them can be expelled because there are so-called enforcement barriers. Morgan Johansson (S) believes that this is a dilemma for all Western countries. There is an expulsion decision, but it cannot be enforced because the person risks torture in his or her home country. He is also furious. Some of them have, according to terrorists, urged people to join terrorist movements.

- On a moral level, it is clear that you are pissed. These are people who have been in Sweden for a long time, some of them for 20 years, and they thank us in this way, he says during a meeting with parliamentary journalists.

To illustrate the problem, the Minister, for example, takes Islamist Mulla Krekar, whom Norway has wanted to expel for ten years, without success. Krekar is like one of the Imams, Abo Raad, from Iraq.

- We are not alone in this problem. We do not want them to remain, but we are also rule of law, we cannot be involved in people being tortured, says Morgan Johansson.

So you see no opportunity to have these people expelled in the foreseeable future?

- We will do everything we can to try to get them rejected. I hope we can eliminate these enforcement barriers. In the meantime, we have them under close watch. We will, among other things, extend the law on special foreign control.

Last year, the government appointed an investigation to review the law. It will be reported in March next year. This includes giving police and security police more opportunities to monitor suspects.

- Tagging is included as a suggestion for action, says Morgan Johansson.

The six men were taken into custody this spring following a decision by Säpo (Security police). Several of them have been identified as leaders in radical Islamist movements in Sweden. However, no formal criminal suspicion has ever been presented by the authorities. It was recently decided that the men should be released from detention, but they still have a duty to report.

This has happened to you who have not followed in the course of events.

In this spring, six people were taken into custody under the Special Aliens Control Act when they were assessed as a security threat.

The six are:

- Imam in Gävle, Iraqi citizen, immigrated to Sweden in 1997.

- Gävleimamens son, Iraqi citizen, immigrated to Sweden in 1997.

- Imam in Umeå, Iraqi citizen, immigrated to Sweden in 1998.

- A resident of Gävle, according to his own information former imam in his home country, Russian citizen, immigrated to Sweden in 2011.

- Imam in Västerås, stateless, immigrated to Sweden in 2001.

- School leader in Western Sweden, Egyptian citizen, immigrated to Sweden in 1998.



@Son of Jamin or @Fronk jag vet inte om ni har missat detta i förra veckan, men vad vore det fantastiskt om alla imamer kunde predika på svenska och inge ett sådant lugn och en sådan avsaknad på aggressivt kroppspråk och ordförbruk.

@Kafir-kun , I would like to apologize deeply if you have felt that I have judged you on a scale where you have felt that I have taken you as an extreme. On the contrary, I enjoy reading your posts and I see you in front of me as the good imam in the video. This is the picture I have of you. Have a good evening!

 

[JDragon]

These CTs have no place in here! Either delete now or I'm contacting the IDL!

Ftfy

 

[The ScorpioN]

I agree to an extent but law and order is only part of the resolution. That's just reacting to the problems in these communities, something more should be done to fundamentally tackle the problem.

This is true. Mass deportations?

 

[Oliver Clothesoff]

Why do you guys keep electing progressives? WTF is wrong with you????


Says the guy who lives in California.

 

[Fedorable]

skuggboxing is the best of all swedish words.

 

[TheGreatA]

I agree to an extent but law and order is only part of the resolution. That's just reacting to the problems in these communities, something more should be done to fundamentally tackle the problem.

Going to need law & order before addressing the rest.

It's going to be difficult to get people involved in society when there are grenades being tossed around at a whim.

Anyway, I don't see this as such a huge problem to fix. America got rid of the Italian Mafia along with a bunch of other criminal organizations. All the events that are taking place in Sweden, have been seen time and time again in other countries. Fresh immigrants come in, they don't integrate well to the society, so they establish parallel societies/criminal gangs to get by. These criminal organizations ultimately grab a stranglehold over the whole community, and prevent it from moving forward.

What Sweden is currently dealing with, is child's play by comparison. Just needs some political will to get the job done.

Sweden at the end of the day is a pretty easy place to navigate, for anybody who has any degree of interest in being a productive member of society. They have extensive social welfare, free education, universal health care, unemployment benefits, pensions, institutions that will take care of your problems, etc.

The only obstacle really is that the individuals themselves don't want anything to do with society.


In more blunt terms, there have been a bunch of young men coming in, from difficult circumstances, and Sweden has raised them like a single mother. Now it's time for the father to step in.

 

[ocfightfan]

You can't integrate a culture that is suicidal with one that is homicidal.

 

[tonysmasseuse]

skuggboxing is the best of all swedish words.

I was always partial to 'jordgubbar' myself, but skuggboxing is definitely up there too.
Swedish is hilarious.

 

[Mendacious]

Going to need law & order before addressing the rest.

It's going to be difficult to get people involved in society when there are grenades being tossed around at a whim.

Anyway, I don't see this as such a huge problem to fix. America got rid of the Italian Mafia along with a bunch of other criminal organizations. All the events that are taking place in Sweden, have been seen time and time again in other countries. Fresh immigrants come in, they don't integrate well to the society, so they establish parallel societies/criminal gangs to get by. These criminal organizations ultimately grab a stranglehold over the whole community, and prevent it from moving forward.

What Sweden is currently dealing with, is child's play by comparison. Just needs some political will to get the job done.

Sweden at the end of the day is a pretty easy place to navigate, for anybody who has any degree of interest in being a productive member of society. They have extensive social welfare, free education, universal health care, unemployment benefits, pensions, institutions that will take care of your problems, etc.

The only obstacle really is that the individuals themselves don't want anything to do with society.


In more blunt terms, there have been a bunch of young men coming in, from difficult circumstances, and Sweden has raised them like a single mother. Now it's time for the father to step in.

What makes Sweden such an easy place is also what makes it so problematic for immigrants.

The job market is where you integrate immigrants. Anyone who wants to get anywhere in the world will have to learn the language of the host and learn the culture of the host to get a good wage.

This is why France has had such a poor time integrating their Muslims, even though France is very inclusive on race. They believe a black Frenchmen can exist. But they have obscene laws protecting their workers making it impossible to fire employees meaning that they don’t want to bother with hiring anyone that can be a risk. They will only choose the safest most qualified candidate.

It’s not a coincidence that these laws exists and that France rarely ever seems to have unemployment under 10% and that they’ve had an awful time integrating their immigrants

And then they pack these immigrants into large housing projects in the suburbs while their police force is largely ineffective

Sweden can handle this issue but they’d have to completely change their way of life. No more with generous welfare, no more with lenient laws on criminals. You’d have to ask Sweden if it was worth it, to take in all these people so that they’d have to reduce their comforts just to integrate them.

 

[Fazz]

I am fully aware that you are not a Muslim. But what is interesting in your case is that you have repeatedly pointed out to us others that you are against Islam. Why are you defending yourself before others? Do you come from an area that has Islam as the main religion and that your physical appearance would then be associated with Islam? Is that why you are so keen on defending yourself as you do?

You are incredibly reminiscent of the Coptic teenagers that I took care of around Copenhagen. They came from Egypt and felt that they had to rebuke their peers for not being Muslims. In this case, it was their appearance and people who did not know them who they might have a preconceived sense and think of them as Muslims. This defense mechanism from the Egyptian boys came automatically and you could really feel they felt uncomfortable when someone thought they were Muslims.



My whole problem with you is that you have religion in your agenda. In every post that you type, everything is about Islam. It would have been rewarding if you could also occasionally see the problems in a world where fundamental Islam and many parts of the Western world come into conflict. However, this is not the case with you as everything is about protecting your interests and the lack of examining in your own beliefs and to be critical. Every form of criticism from other members is usually dealt with by "Sherbros" who do not understand at all. You are welcome to look through your own post-history and see how many times you have said it in a derogatory way.

Regarding @Kafir-kun then it is true that I think he is a good poster. The difference between you and him is that he is informative and has knowledge of other things that he can convey in an easy-to-read way. The reason I mentioned your names was that you are the only ones on this site who have called me unhinged and now I have been a member here on the site beyond all of you. I don´t think @Kafir-kun and @Sano are a danger for our society, but you and @Trotsky ? I would mean is the essence of a red flag and should be monitored.

So your issue with me is that I post about what I want? That’s a strange criticism. I have some topics I’m interested in, and many that I’m not. You won’t find me for example having in depth conversations about domestic US policy because 1) I don’t know much about the domestic US issues and 2) There are many people here who are more qualified than me to speak about that stuff.
Considering your main contribution here seems to be a 50 page thread about Sweden, it’s a bit rich to accuse someone else of not being diverse enough in their conversations. You are free to talk about what you want and so am I. Those that relate to these conversations will join in - those that find them uninteresting will ignore them. When it comes to Islam/Muslims I feel I am well placed to discuss these issues as I have lived in different parts of the Muslim world and I have had somewhat of a formal Islamic education.

As for me not being critical of Muslims or Muslim countries- thats just incorrect. I have numerous posts discussing issues like the grooming gang problem in the UK, the ISIS issue and terrorism and my problem with the governments in Muslim countries in general. What you don’t seem to like is that I don’t offer my criticisms in the manner you want me to.

Btw on what grounds are you calling me dangerous? You’re the one that comes to these forums and makes violent threats against people, you behave in an extremely volatile way and you start a long thread that is fast becoming reminiscent of Anders Breivik’s manifesto - and I’m the one that needs monitoring?

 

[sweede]

Coming back after a couple of days of relaxing, and I am greeted by a yellow card? I have on numerous occasions called my children "half-breeds" in here but never received a card. Now a friendly English-speaking man has told me to use this word when describing dogs. With this I would have changed the word to "half-mix". My first language is unfortunately Swedish and I speak better Thai and Danish than English. Something I have pointed out many times is that I am here for learning English. In Sweden you can use the word "halv ras", "halv blandning" eller "halv-mix" without sensitive people take offense.

I've been researching myself and realize I've lost my usual cool. Tools that ordinary working people do, to stop and take a break and see their own behavior. In all this annoyance I have forgotten my original purpose. To give a picture of what is happening in Sweden through a first-hand perspective in connection with sources from left-wing sites. Seeing people from the rest of the world take such great interest in my small insignificant country has affected me greatly. To then have a handful of members who have led me into meaningless disputes, I see as a defeat, when I have forgotten the rest, the majority who have appreciated information that you might not otherwise have been able to access. With that, I would like to ask for forgiveness to the majority of the honestly curious members of this thread.

To then recognize one's explanation is probably due to periodic frustrations at work. I do not talk about useless experiences at home, and in the past I have said that through this thread I have found a therapy that has resulted in me being able to let go of steam. We who work daily with the different mentalities have a tough everyday life. The work professions such as police, teachers, employment officer, social workers and hospital staff in Malmö have tipped over into racist thinking through our foiling at work. Being confronted with ridicule, threats and blows and not being able to report it because a professional choice where you have to endure it, can get the strongest to succumb. This everyday history is something that statistics cannot convey.

To show how fast things are going in Sweden, I can give as many examples as possible. The most significant is that less than a month ago, I wrote about the Sweden Democrats (SD) who were almost as big as the Social Democrats (S). A couple of days ago, it turned out that SD is actually the biggest party in Sweden. This is groundbreaking, as S has always been the biggest party since we introduced universal suffrage in Sweden. Today, SD is supported by 24% of Sweden's population. We will have elections in 2 years and then the figure will be higher. This is something that I can only ascertain, as their increase is mostly due to voter turnout from the left and S. I myself have made the decision to go from S to Moderates (M) as I still think SD is a party with a lot of problems and scandals.

This speed in how thoughts go from fundamentally faithful to dissolving and a scream of change is the reality in Sweden. The voters who voted for SD from the past, which mostly consisted of men outside the cities, are now supported by police, teachers, social workers, employment agents and hospital staff. But at the same time, people do not want to admit that they vote for SD. The consensus-trauma is deeply rooted in Swewden and it may seem racist if you openly talk about voting for them. Not even in the family do you really tell. But as the editorial Lena Mellin (social democratic affiliation) wrote about it in her chronicle. "SD address and make politics of issues that people talk about and, experience as problems."

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kolumnister/a/K3XJve/lofven-och-kristersson-ar-for-daliga

Sweden has completely changed fundamentally and it is deeply tragic that some members in here perceive this as racist and some even call me Anders Breiveik, and this person will not get banned? And I almost get banned fo mistakenly use the word "half-breed"? That these same people can make a geographically desert area become racist? By their own interpretations and another word choice, in this case "desert dwellers", we who live in the Nordic countries should then be offended by being called snow-dwellers? I have been advised to ignore the thoughts and opinions of these few people and wish to continue to give personal thoughts and reports from a small country.

Sweden Democrats are the biggest party in Sweden, 2019-11-15

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/samhalle/a/e8Rp6g/historisk-matning-nu-ar-sd-storst-i-sverige

For futher reading follow the link.

 

[Bald1]

Coming back after a couple of days of relaxing, and I am greeted by a yellow card? I have on numerous occasions called my children "half-breeds" in here but never received a card. Now a friendly English-speaking man has told me to use this word when describing dogs. With this I would have changed the word to "half-mix". My first language is unfortunately Swedish and I speak better Thai and Danish than English. Something I have pointed out many times is that I am here for learning English. In Sweden you can use the word "halv ras", "halv blandning" eller "halv-mix" without sensitive people take offense.

I've been researching myself and realize I've lost my usual cool. Tools that ordinary working people do, to stop and take a break and see their own behavior. In all this annoyance I have forgotten my original purpose. To give a picture of what is happening in Sweden through a first-hand perspective in connection with sources from left-wing sites. Seeing people from the rest of the world take such great interest in my small insignificant country has affected me greatly. To then have a handful of members who have led me into meaningless disputes, I see as a defeat, when I have forgotten the rest, the majority who have appreciated information that you might not otherwise have been able to access. With that, I would like to ask for forgiveness to the majority of the honestly curious members of this thread.

To then recognize one's explanation is probably due to periodic frustrations at work. I do not talk about useless experiences at home, and in the past I have said that through this thread I have found a therapy that has resulted in me being able to let go of steam. We who work daily with the different mentalities have a tough everyday life. The work professions such as police, teachers, employment officer, social workers and hospital staff in Malmö have tipped over into racist thinking through our foiling at work. Being confronted with ridicule, threats and blows and not being able to report it because a professional choice where you have to endure it, can get the strongest to succumb. This everyday history is something that statistics cannot convey.

To show how fast things are going in Sweden, I can give as many examples as possible. The most significant is that less than a month ago, I wrote about the Sweden Democrats (SD) who were almost as big as the Social Democrats (S). A couple of days ago, it turned out that SD is actually the biggest party in Sweden. This is groundbreaking, as S has always been the biggest party since we introduced universal suffrage in Sweden. Today, SD is supported by 24% of Sweden's population. We will have elections in 2 years and then the figure will be higher. This is something that I can only ascertain, as their increase is mostly due to voter turnout from the left and S. I myself have made the decision to go from S to Moderates (M) as I still think SD is a party with a lot of problems and scandals.

This speed in how thoughts go from fundamentally faithful to dissolving and a scream of change is the reality in Sweden. The voters who voted for SD from the past, which mostly consisted of men outside the cities, are now supported by police, teachers, social workers, employment agents and hospital staff. But at the same time, people do not want to admit that they vote for SD. The consensus-trauma is deeply rooted in Swewden and it may seem racist if you openly talk about voting for them. Not even in the family do you really tell. But as the editorial Lena Mellin (social democratic affiliation) wrote about it in her chronicle. "SD address and make politics of issues that people talk about and, experience as problems."

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kolumnister/a/K3XJve/lofven-och-kristersson-ar-for-daliga

Sweden has completely changed fundamentally and it is deeply tragic that some members in here perceive this as racist and some even call me Anders Breiveik, and this person will not get banned? And I almost get banned fo mistakenly use the word "half-breed"? That these same people can make a geographically desert area become racist? By their own interpretations and another word choice, in this case "desert dwellers", we who live in the Nordic countries should then be offended by being called snow-dwellers? I have been advised to ignore the thoughts and opinions of these few people and wish to continue to give personal thoughts and reports from a small country.

Sweden Democrats are the biggest party in Sweden, 2019-11-15

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/samhalle/a/e8Rp6g/historisk-matning-nu-ar-sd-storst-i-sverige

For futher reading follow the link.

I call myself a Euro mutt all the time but probably wouldn't use that label for someone else. Labels can be fraught with dangers in our PC culture due to historic context and things get lost in translation as polyglots know. I don't think you're one bit racist for what it's worth. Learn an move on, I suppose.

The changes in your outlook have been quite noticeable, yet predictable. All I can think to say is not to let your circumstances completely kill your optimism. Easier said than done I suppose.

Just a few days ago a story about how SD is gaining popularity popped up on my news feed and I figured you'd mention it sooner or later. They, if course, were labeled "a far right" party evoking the boogeyman of nationalism. Would that be an accurate assessment? I personally don't think of nationalism as dangerous as long as it's an inward looking and applied thing as opposed to exerting it outside of borders. Within reason, goes without saying. Ideas over identity should be the key I think once again.

All in all my thoughts are this on the rapidly changing outlook you talk about. The reaction in Sweden is much milder than it would be in at least two of the V4 countries, but neither extreme is exactly desirable. I hope you guys get this figured out soon as it appears a new wave of migrants and refugees will be on their way to the EU soon. The Nordic countries built some of the best societies to ever exist so I'm sure you'll find a balance soon and implement a better way. Cheers bud!

 

[Last Samurai]

Compare that to the 2018 election:

Sweden Democrats -----> 17.5%
Social Democrats --------> 28.3%
Moderates -------------------> 19.8%


That's a big swing.

People are fed up with the immigration issue, there simply is no other explanation. When bombings become commonplace in a country where this was previously unheard of, it becomes increasingly clear where the problem lies.