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So, for those who are unaware, Ken Shamrock has had a pretty vicious back-and-forth twitter war with UFC President Dana White.

Dana has went so far as to claim that Ken Shamrock had his "ass beat since 1996", was famous for just "getting beat by Royce" and even said that Tito/Shamrock did nothing for the UFC, it was TUF 1. Ken on the other hand seemed more defensive and asked White not to downplay the Hall of Famers' (Ortiz, Couture, himself and Frank Shamrock) impact on MMA.

I, for one, don't think it helps anyone when some the legends of the sport are put down by the chief promoter. Regardless of what anyone thinks, Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz created a series of fights that kept this sport going in an uncertain time.

The importance of TUF 1 is pretty exaggerated in my honest opinion. I am sure it had an impact, but regardless ONE fight cannot have that much of an impact.

URL: http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/9/28/4779132/bad-blood-boils-over-between-dana-white-ken-shamrock

Discuss.
 
It irritates me that the president of the biggest MMA organization in the world gets involved with this childish bullshit. I don't care if the publicity he gets from these electronic catfights somehow drives P4P sales, it's bush league.
 
It was the build up of tuf, getting to know the fighters and then having them have an exciting brawl on cable. It did save the UFC.

As for Dana, yeah he trashes people, but he's in a roll where he has to defend the UFC from bitter ex fighters accusations.
 
TFanatic said:
It was the build up of tuf, getting to know the fighters and then having them have an exciting brawl on cable. It did save the UFC.

As for Dana, yeah he trashes people, but he's in a roll where he has to defend the UFC from bitter ex fighters accusations.
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Most of the 'bitter ex fighter accusations' are about him, not the company or its owners. If Dana thinks this is the best way to promote and his employers agree/are cool with it, that's their business. I have to agree with others that it comes across very childish though.
 
TFanatic said:
It was the build up of tuf, getting to know the fighters and then having them have an exciting brawl on cable. It did save the UFC.

As for Dana, yeah he trashes people, but he's in a roll where he has to defend the UFC from bitter ex fighters accusations.
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If he's going to defend the UFC, he needs to do so in a professional manner instead of acting like a 16 year old goober on Twitter.
 
Loiosh said:
It irritates me that the president of the biggest MMA organization in the world gets involved with this childish bullshit. I don't care if the publicity he gets from these electronic catfights somehow drives P4P sales, it's bush league.
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I agree
 
ManofSteel said:
So, for those who are unaware, Ken Shamrock has had a pretty vicious back-and-forth twitter war with UFC President Dana White.

Dana has went so far as to claim that Ken Shamrock had his "ass beat since 1996", was famous for just "getting beat by Royce" and even said that Tito/Shamrock did nothing for the UFC, it was TUF 1. Ken on the other hand seemed more defensive and asked White not to downplay the Hall of Famers' (Ortiz, Couture, himself and Frank Shamrock) impact on MMA.

I, for one, don't think it helps anyone when some the legends of the sport are put down by the chief promoter. Regardless of what anyone thinks, Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz created a series of fights that kept this sport going in an uncertain time.

The importance of TUF 1 is pretty exaggerated in my honest opinion. I am sure it had an impact, but regardless ONE fight cannot have that much of an impact.

URL: http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/9/28/4779132/bad-blood-boils-over-between-dana-white-ken-shamrock

Discuss.
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Ken and Tito got PAID for what they did and both jumped ship the second they thought it was to their benefit.

With out Zuffa willing to lose $$ for years there would be no UFC and Tito and Ken would have a lot less in life.

Did Tito vs Ken help? yep. Could they have done it with say Chuck vs XYZ? or fighter X vs ?? more then likely.

There are plenty of retired UFC guys that have no issues with Dana. The ones that tried to F the UFC if they thought it could make them $5, well they got issues.
 
Well I don't think any of us know the truth but I will say this: I believe Dana built this sport as much out of a love for the sport as about building his own business. I believe he's truly a fan and wants the UFC to be the best it can possibly be. I've seen him turn down big money matchups that would've helped the UFC's bottom line but he didn't make those matches to preserve the integrity and safety of the sport. Imagine how bad Chuck would be slurring his words if a scumbag promoter all about the $$$ was willing to make matches with him (that would've still sold) until he was a vegetable.

Ken was never about building the sport. He's a prize fighter, and I think he's a little bitter about how much he made when he was big and how much the biggest draws make now. I think he was (and I'm not saying this is wrong) all about getting himself paid and I think some of those decisions (like how he conducted himself with the UFC, suing them) bit him in the ass. You can't sue your employer and expect them to kowtow to you a decade + later.

Without Ken, the sport would be about where it is today. Without Dana? Not the same, not even close. The respect between these two should be flowing mainly from Ken to Dana, not vice-versa, regardless of who was in the game first.
 
By insulting your HOFers you're basically saying the best fighters we ever had were shit. Not very smart for the head of a company.
 
Gun'n'Run said:
Well I don't think any of us know the truth but I will say this: I believe Dana built this sport as much out of a love for the sport as about building his own business. I believe he's truly a fan and wants the UFC to be the best it can possibly be. I've seen him turn down big money matchups that would've helped the UFC's bottom line but he didn't make those matches to preserve the integrity and safety of the sport. Imagine how bad Chuck would be slurring his words if a scumbag promoter all about the $$$ was willing to make matches with him (that would've still sold) until he was a vegetable.

Ken was never about building the sport. He's a prize fighter, and I think he's a little bitter about how much he made when he was big and how much the biggest draws make now. I think he was (and I'm not saying this is wrong) all about getting himself paid and I think some of those decisions (like how he conducted himself with the UFC, suing them) bit him in the ass. You can't sue your employer and expect them to kowtow to you a decade + later.

Without Ken, the sport would be about where it is today. Without Dana? Not the same, not even close. The respect between these two should be flowing mainly from Ken to Dana, not vice-versa, regardless of who was in the game first.
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Great post. I agree.
 
They're all acting about half their actual age minus a few years
 
Yes, kudos to the owners of Zuffa, billionaires, for investing twenty million into the UFC. I sincerely praise them for having taken that very minor sacrifice for their friend.

As far as retired fighters not taking a stand... would you? Dana White is the most powerful man in the sport and has a notorious temper. If you were retired, had a local MMA gym or other business connections related to MMA, would you stand up to a man who could destroy your life?

The only reason why Couture, the Shamrocks and Ortiz are speaking out is because they are in business with Bellator and have enough money, fame and recognition to be able to say "F U" to White and the Fertittas.
 
All it takes is the TUF 1 cast to piss Dana off before it becomes something else entirely, like the Fertitta brothers or Anderson Silva that "saved" the UFC. You better believe that Dana will disregard anything a fighter has ever done for the company if he's bothered enough by them.
 
Gun'n'Run said:
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Ken was never about building the sport. He's a prize fighter, and I think he's a little bitter about how much he made when he was big and how much the biggest draws make now. I think he was (and I'm not saying this is wrong) all about getting himself paid and I think some of those decisions (like how he conducted himself with the UFC, suing them) bit him in the ass. You can't sue your employer and expect them to kowtow to you a decade + later.

Without Ken, the sport would be about where it is today. Without Dana? Not the same, not even close. The respect between these two should be flowing mainly from Ken to Dana, not vice-versa, regardless of who was in the game first.
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I think the credit belongs to the deep pockets of the Fertittas more than anything else. They asked Dana to shop around for buyers after getting tired of bleeding cash right before UFCs fortunes turned around.

There is controversy over how the UFC is being portrayed as having being the pioneer in the fight to get the sport sanctioned which isn't true.
 
nhbfan8080 said:
I think the credit belongs to the deep pockets of the Fertittas more than anything else. They asked Dana to shop around for buyers after getting tired of bleeding cash right before UFCs fortunes turned around.

There is controversy over how the UFC is being portrayed as having being the pioneer in the fight to get the sport sanctioned which isn't true.
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Yep, the Fertittas were the ones who invested their money to bring the UFC to where it is.

Dana played a small role, but without the Fertittas I don't think the UFC would be as big as it is today.
 
The point is: shouldn't a large part of the UFC Hall of Fame be supportive of the UFC President and the company's policies? Seems sort of contradictory to elevate some men, then throw them under the bus when they aren't company diehards.
 
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