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strongest position in jj to you

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by tekkenfan, Jan 25, 2020.

  1. tekkenfan Banned Banned

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    curious what guys think nowadays what the strongest position is in grappling and the best guard as well

    the back was the ultimate goal in gracie jiu jitsu mount being second best then knee on belly side curious how others see that today
     
  2. yetanother Black Belt

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    Back with a locked rear naked (clean not on the chin) seems hard to beat
     
  3. weed ベルセルク

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    fully mounted + body triangle lock
     
  4. tekkenfan Banned Banned

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    i dont mean sub i mean position
     
  5. tekkenfan Banned Banned

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    hm thts hard to beat but also extremely hard t do half people dont have the legs to do it though
     
  6. yetanother Black Belt

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    Is a sub not a position?
     
  7. tekkenfan Banned Banned

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    i dont mean a position that ends the right right away lol if you are that close you got the choke its basically over

    im talking about a position with no real dominant grips like back control with body triangle or mount ect
     
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    Best guard is likely to vary based on personal preference ? Spider lasso and squid are tops for me based on how difficult they are to pass and sheer number of sub / sweep opportunities.

    2nd tier would be closed and 50/50 .... mainly used to stall in comps(up on points,short time ... f' you we're sitting in 50/50)

    Pretty positive most of the smaller dudes will agree seatbelt / body triangle back control is awesome.


    *my mount is bleh
     
  9. tekkenfan Banned Banned

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    squid?


    i use t like lasso spider guard but idk rarely see great sweeps from it mostly stalling
     
  10. MrFriendly ╭∩╮(︶︿︶)╭∩╮

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  11. ens189 ELI-te Belt Platinum Member

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    I'm an old school guy I guess. High mount and closed guard. Two positions where 99% of the time I can hurt you and you can't hurt me.

    Been incorporating some fun 50/50 stuff into my game lately though.
     
  12. tekkenfan Banned Banned

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    i think its hard to say closed guard since in mma its very dangerous vs good guys vs nobodies yes u can wrap them up like nothing but if we are talking about over all amazing dangerous control i feel it has to be top position
     
  13. migeru29 Brown Belt

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    Kesa gatame is the best pin of all times. It's just natural and simple.
     
  14. tekkenfan Banned Banned

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    yeah but im not a fan vs good guys its so hard to go back to a normal side control if you wrap the head and not an underhook
     
  15. migeru29 Brown Belt

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    With gi or without gi?
    If we are talking about gi then if you understand how to do it correctly there is no way your opponent can escape not even the good ones
     
  16. Te Huna Matata Red Belt

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    Top side control is my strongest. Most guys struggle to get out of that position with a competent wrestler on top of them.
     
  17. RightToBareKnuckles Purple Belt

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    just for me personally, back control with a body triangle; based on body type and skill level (low). but overall, i put a high mount or top side control up there
     
  18. Quebec Nick Purple Belt

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    For me my best attacking position is top north south

    I can attack for NS chokes, go back to side, take the back and my favorite get a kimura grip for dorsal kimura (in Danaher terms). Then I can take the back, attack a kimura or a cross kimura or go for an arm bar or even try a side triangle...

    Going north south is way more dynamic than side control or mount IMO.


    For guard I would say that working inside (shin to shin, Butterfly, half butterfly, SLX and X guard) is the best system for me, it's great for sweeping and leg locks. But you need to have a good half guard and RDLR also because you're gonna get put into halfguard a lot
     
  19. JagRoss Orange Belt

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    Back control, with the fully locked body triangle.

    Kimura with the inverted triangle locked on the other side.

    Saddle with both feet controlled.

    High mount in the gi.
     
  20. Quebec Nick Purple Belt

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    Seems to get years and years to master it. The only 2 guys that I'm not able to take the back when they try it is a guy who has been doing this move for 13 years and the other is a judo coral belt and BJJ purple belt.

    All the other guys even judo black belt and brown belts (but BJJ newbies) I can take the back or reverse them when they try it.

    The way I play my RDLR and half guard, I pretty much provoke the kesa gatame, I give the knee slide but not the underhook. So it's kesa gatame or back step for them and I'm ready for both. Sure if I let them settle with a good grip on my sleeve I'm done but there's holes in the transition for me to attack.

    We have some kids in the kids class who do BJJ and Judo and every time they try a scarfhold they get reversed or back taken.
     

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