strong wrestlers who just stand up.

[wmike9902**]

I was rolling with a wrestler during his first BJJ class the other day. Guy was built and very strong. He pretty much lacked any technique besides a really good base and pure strength. Any time he started on his back he would just turtle up and stand up before I get my hooks in. What are some tricks I can use to get him in transition because im pretty sure i cant ever keep this guy down.

 

[Rod1]

How much have you been training?

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

If a wrestler can stand up every time a BJJ practitioner wants him down, then your style is inferior. He's not doing anything wrong. He beat you with superior technique and tactics.

Learn to keep him down and ride him if you can't get the hooks. Use a tight waist.

 

[wmike9902**]

ya ive been out of training for a while so I need to do better on my riding and getting my core strength up. Im just looking for some good turtle techniques

 

[OC BJJ]

Far knee, far ankle. Take him back down.

 

[Shemhazai]

Spiral ride.

 

[Jaxx]

Learn how to attack the turtle or referees position.

Wrestlers are very good at turning to their knees and getting back to their feet, nothing wrong with a more experienced, athletic grappler hitting this on you.

 

[Team BRH]

I agree with spiral ride, it will open him up to get your hooks in.

 

[Chinaboxer]

i'm a relatively small guy, 5'7" 150lbs, so grappling big strong guys are always an issue. when I have cross side, immediately, i trap his near side arm by leg weaving on top of it, this takes away his upper body strength since his arm is out of position, and frees up your arms to attack his far side arm or set up positions such as the north south choke. if you're in a gi, i make sure to do the above and also grab his far side lapel to secure a brabo grip. this is such a nasty grip.

if he does get to turtle, the most important thing is the "seatbelt" grip, and it has to be tight. this control is IMO more important than the hooks, never let it go. use the hooks to "steer" him or to break his base when he tries to stand up.

 

[Zankou]

It is a mistake to use wrestling breakdowns against a strong wrestler, IMHO, unless you also have solid wrestling skills. Better to use a BJJ style, threatening the submission. Against a wrestler, the Holy Law is that 'Thou Shalt Always Choke.'

I mean, by all means if you can hit the spiral ride, break the guy down, and flatten him over, then rock on, but if he's as good of a wrestler as you say, you ain't got a prayer. Time for a different strategy.

Like the dude above me says, seatbelt, seatbelt, seatbelt. To choke.

 

[greedysob]

It is a mistake to use wrestling breakdowns against a strong wrestler, IMHO, unless you also have solid wrestling skills. Better to use a BJJ style, threatening the submission. Against a wrestler, the Holy Law is that 'Thou Shalt Always Choke.'

I mean, by all means if you can hit the spiral ride, break the guy down, and flatten him over, then rock on, but if he's as good of a wrestler as you say, you ain't got a prayer. Time for a different strategy.

Like the dude above me says, seatbelt, seatbelt, seatbelt. To choke.

Definitely. The spiral ride is a wrestling move, going for it just plays into his game. Look for chokes.

 

[prowrestlingkng]

I was rolling with a wrestler during his first BJJ class the other day. Guy was built and very strong. He pretty much lacked any technique besides a really good base and pure strength. Any time he started on his back he would just turtle up and stand up before I get my hooks in. What are some tricks I can use to get him in transition because im pretty sure i cant ever keep this guy down.

I like how you claim there is no technique to standing up. believe it or not there are other techniques and skills from your back besides pulling guard. It takes more then "pure strength" to stand up from turtling, there is techniques and skills as well, don't diminish his skill set just because he isn't doing traditional ji jitsu.

 

[wmike9902**]

I like how you claim there is no technique to standing up. believe it or not there are other techniques and skills from your back besides pulling guard. It takes more then "pure strength" to stand up from turtling, there is techniques and skills as well, don't diminish his skill set just because he isn't doing traditional ji jitsu.

I never meant to say it took no technique. He has his own different technique but being really strong and him using a strategy im not used to really makes it tough on me trying to use jiu jitsu on him when he is not going for chokes or going for guard or threatening with submissions

 

[Devils Cut***]

I live when people say "you're really strong" or "damn, how much do you weigh?" I'm no superman and I weigh 200lbs, but when I use good technique and apply the right pressure it feels like I'm super strong or like I weigh a ton.

Maybe you should consider if he is really that strong or just feels like it.

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

It is a mistake to use wrestling breakdowns against a strong wrestler, IMHO, unless you also have solid wrestling skills. Better to use a BJJ style, threatening the submission. Against a wrestler, the Holy Law is that 'Thou Shalt Always Choke.'

I mean, by all means if you can hit the spiral ride, break the guy down, and flatten him over, then rock on, but if he's as good of a wrestler as you say, you ain't got a prayer. Time for a different strategy.

Like the dude above me says, seatbelt, seatbelt, seatbelt. To choke.

Fair enough. In my post, I wasn't trying to suggest wrestling style breakdowns. Heck I wrestled and even I don't use them. But you do want to focus on at least slowing his escape to his feet if you're using a BJJ strategy. Be sure to keep the weight on him and at least establish some kind of grip. Seatbelt, waist lock. Something.

 

[MagicWand]

you pretty much just described my game...

 

[td82394]

When a wrestler goes for the stand up, the first thing he does is he clears the arm. Then he steps. Then he's up and he's probably already fighting the hands and escaping. If one link in the chain is broken, you're not getting up.

 

[Shemhazai]

It is a mistake to use wrestling breakdowns against a strong wrestler, IMHO, unless you also have solid wrestling skills. Better to use a BJJ style, threatening the submission. Against a wrestler, the Holy Law is that 'Thou Shalt Always Choke.'

I mean, by all means if you can hit the spiral ride, break the guy down, and flatten him over, then rock on, but if he's as good of a wrestler as you say, you ain't got a prayer. Time for a different strategy.

Like the dude above me says, seatbelt, seatbelt, seatbelt. To choke.

I have no illusions of being able to spiral ride a good wrestler into side control, but if an opponent is too strong/mobile on his knees for you to take the back without getting shucked off/lifted, I don't see how using the spiral ride to get him on his side momentarily - in order to secure the seatbelt in transition - is such a bad idea. If my opponent gets to his knees again once I have the seatbelt in place, I don't really mind, and will work for the crucifix, but I generally don't like attacking a fully operational/functional turtle.

I'm also not a fan of jumping on the back of a standing opponent, if that's the alternative you're inferring ... ?

 

[IgorsOverhand]

Just take his back

 

[UrbanSavage**]

If a wrestler can stand up every time a BJJ practitioner wants him down, then your style is inferior.

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