Striking from triangle

[GA coonass]

When I have somone in my triangle shoud I strike directly forward or hit the sides of his head Im asking this because I worry by striking directly forward I will push his head out of the triangle.
We need an mma technique forum.

 

[Greasemonk]

If its locked in tight enough I dont think his head would push out, but still strike from the sides hit his face

 

[JiuJitsu_Greg]

I like to strike the shoulder that you are trying to pull across your opponents neck with elbows. Wear it down to try and get a finish out of the triangle. Just remember that you want strikes that help you get the sub. Elbows to the side of the head are nice too.

 

[KentPeters]

If you turn to the side and underhook the leg to really dig the triangle in you can get some really annoying shots to his ribs and side of his head with your opposite hand.

 

[Gavin LeFever]

we totally need a MMA Technique forum.

use your free hands to attack his arm. i like to ready an armbar or kimura if the triangle flops and i dont need to pull down or hook a leg.

plus, he's not going to slam you if you've got a kimura locked in. he's be too worried that slam would piss you off and make you jack his shoulder.

 

[KentPeters]

we totally need a MMA Technique forum.

use your free hands to attack his arm. i like to ready an armbar or kimura if the triangle flops and i dont need to pull down or hook a leg.

plus, he's not going to slam you if you've got a kimura locked in. he's be too worried that slam would piss you off and make you jack his shoulder.

I drill the triangle to armbar transition if he stands up to try and stack my tri, but when do you throw in the kimura? Is it just from a triangle you can't finish?

 

[randomg1t]

you're probably gonna be hitting his forehead anyway which isn't the best spot to hit.

i think you should focus more on transitioning to an omoplata or armbar in case the triangle gets loose or he even gets out.

 

[Half Boston Crab]

If you use spike elbows, hitting the forehead is gonna hurt as well.

 

[jsbjjs]

while hitting anything would probably hurt your opponent, using strikes to get the sub, or switching to an armbar / omoplata is a usually a better idea.

 

[triso]

If you use spike elbows, hitting the forehead is gonna hurt as well.

Exactly, if you are going to strike from this postion, your best course of action would be downward elbows, if thats not legal, then regular elbows, punching him in the head (not face) will definitely fuck up your hand.

 

[TheHighlander]

Hammerfists and elbows to the side of his head (mostly the side of his free shoulder). If he's wrapping his trapped arm around your leg, go to town on that side and he will stop the wrap. You want him to try to cover with his trapped arm, which will let you finish the triangle better. Watch out for strikes from his free arm as you will occasionally run into somebody that can reach your head.

To whoever thinks it better to transition to omoplata or armbar, why would you want to do that? They are both riskier than trying to finish the triangle. I've only ever had one guy escape the triangle in MMA training. With strikes there is little to no reason to give up on it.

 

[Gavin LeFever]

Exactly, if you are going to strike from this postion, your best course of action would be downward elbows, if thats not legal, then regular elbows, punching him in the head (not face) will definitely fuck up your hand.

bas rutten used downward elbow strikes in the ufc bas-randleman fight. to this day he has bone splinters in his elbow and it's huge and painful and commonly gives him problems and even gets infected from time to time.

smashing your hard bone into someone else's hard bone is not wise. the forehead/skull is very solid which is why it can break your hand and we use gloves. you should use your palm which is softer and padded. palm strike his forehead if you must to soften him up and give him the headache. it's less damaging but the damage you'll take is 0. you can toe-kick someone and hurt them but if you break your toes then what good is it for you?


i didnt invent the triangle-kimura but it's my go-to when the triangle isn't getting the job done. you alwways need a good plan B and i feel this is flashy. if im triangling someone good, they know not to panic and give me the armbar and the omoplata is hard on a lot of decent guys so i basically omoplata with my free arms--the kimura.

if i can tell the triangle isn't choking him (IE his head isn't red, he's not flopping over or losing posture) then his shoulder is probably a little to deep into my legs. this means i didn't stretch him out, but i managed to lock my legs for the triangle anyways--i did a crap triangle. it leaves me in a good position and it's still hard for him to escape unless i just give it up. so i just keep the good position and sub from there. if he's locking his hands around your hip that's perfect. just bridge up and get your butt off the mat, then grab his wrist and lock your arm out. drop your bridged hips down and your locked arm will peel his wrist off your hip. sit up and kimura. keep your triangle on because there's no reason to let it go and the tap is easy.

if you cant manage to peel him off even if you try a few times because he's crazy strong or if he pulls his arm away before you can post/lock then you can just elbow roll by grabbing his elbow, posting your free arm behind you and thrusting your hips like you're in guard trying to do the same move.

 

[KentPeters]

bas rutten used downward elbow strikes in the ufc bas-randleman fight. to this day he has bone splinters in his elbow and it's huge and painful and commonly gives him problems and even gets infected from time to time.

smashing your hard bone into someone else's hard bone is not wise. the forehead/skull is very solid which is why it can break your hand and we use gloves. you should use your palm which is softer and padded. palm strike his forehead if you must to soften him up and give him the headache. it's less damaging but the damage you'll take is 0. you can toe-kick someone and hurt them but if you break your toes then what good is it for you?


i didnt invent the triangle-kimura but it's my go-to when the triangle isn't getting the job done. you alwways need a good plan B and i feel this is flashy. if im triangling someone good, they know not to panic and give me the armbar and the omoplata is hard on a lot of decent guys so i basically omoplata with my free arms--the kimura.

if i can tell the triangle isn't choking him (IE his head isn't red, he's not flopping over or losing posture) then his shoulder is probably a little to deep into my legs. this means i didn't stretch him out, but i managed to lock my legs for the triangle anyways--i did a crap triangle. it leaves me in a good position and it's still hard for him to escape unless i just give it up. so i just keep the good position and sub from there. if he's locking his hands around your hip that's perfect. just bridge up and get your butt off the mat, then grab his wrist and lock your arm out. drop your bridged hips down and your locked arm will peel his wrist off your hip. sit up and kimura. keep your triangle on because there's no reason to let it go and the tap is easy.

if you cant manage to peel him off even if you try a few times because he's crazy strong or if he pulls his arm away before you can post/lock then you can just elbow roll by grabbing his elbow, posting your free arm behind you and thrusting your hips like you're in guard trying to do the same move.

Ok, i was thinking it was attacking the arm inside (I went brain dead for abit) ... I never thought to try that but that is a great idea, i will give it a go next class ... Thanks

 

[Gavin LeFever]

you are attacking his inside arm. think of it like the triangle-to-omoplata transition, but you're doing a kimura and keeping your legs locked in the triangle.

bas probably has this on one of his dvds. i cant think of any other popular names who use this move.. not that bas has used it in competition though.

 

[KentPeters]

you are attacking his inside arm. think of it like the triangle-to-omoplata transition, but you're doing a kimura and keeping your legs locked in the triangle.

bas probably has this on one of his dvds. i cant think of any other popular names who use this move.. not that bas has used it in competition though.

Ok well now i have 2 things to try next class

 

[jsbjjs]

To whoever thinks it better to transition to omoplata or armbar, why would you want to do that? They are both riskier than trying to finish the triangle. I've only ever had one guy escape the triangle in MMA training. With strikes there is little to no reason to give up on it.

I was under the impression he could not finish the triangle or was using the triangle for strikes, if you can finish it by all means do! just means the fights over faster and you win.

 

[Gavin LeFever]

More..

There are times when you throw on a triangle you think is good, or you have to move faster than you'd like and snatch it when it's there. Of course the best way to throw one is to break then down and stretch them out but this is a lot harder no-gi and if they react properly and quickly. The end result is sometimes you lock on a triangle but you're just not getting the choke and pulling the head down isn't going to cut it.

You can lift your hips up to make distance and expose his face to throw straight punches. If you really want to strike, that's the only method I'd go for. He might try to defend the strikes and let you adjust your triangle or snatch the armbar. You should be able to catch his leg if he's trying to lift you.

Also, if you're in this extending position if you hook his correct leg not with your hand, but over your shoulder (like you're raising your hand to the sky in class at school) this should turn you almost 180* and should make him fall in a sweep. Just keep your legs locked on the triangle tightly or switch to and amrbar and shoot your hips all the way up. This sweep is commonly used when you get stacked on a flying armbar, hook the leg over the shoulder and it pulls your head to his feet and he falls over you.

So you've got a lot of options. Expose the face for strikes, pull down the head, armbar the inside arm, kimura the inside arm, omoplata the inside arm, sweep to mount with an elbow roll, or with the 180* butt-spin, or even bait him to defend and adjust to finish the triangle.

Basically, the triangle is just an adjusted closed guard and both have a lot of the same options.

 

[pugz]

honestly i like short elbows to the top of the head not enough to really move em. but enough to cut their scalp.