Street Fight Truths?

1) headbutts are a brutal weapon, but you can rattle yourself if you land them wrong, I recently split someone from eyebrow to hairline with a headbutt and knocked them out for several minutes. It was also the first time I have had a minor concussion.
2) If you feel the need to fight, breaking knuckles is the least of your concerns.
3) I don't kick in brawls, but I had a mate that had no formal training and he used to knock people out frequently with head kicks in street fights. It can be dangerous but it can work, it really depends on what your most comfortable throwing.
4) it's best to avoid grappling, but it's nearly impossible in a brawl. I have had to use some wrestling in most of the serious fights I have been in.
5) use what ever method avoids the most damage, a lot of street fights happen in confined spaces where footwork isn't much of an option.
6) keep your hands open so you can make use of bricks and broken bottles. Just kidding it's all about style and what your most comfortable with.
7) if somebody tells you size doesn't matter they are probably selling something. I have had a few fights against bigger people and multiple opponents and I can tell you now it isn't easy. one bloke I fought was so much heavier, that I ended up underneath when I dropped him, just because he was hanging on to my shirt.
P.s the best skill is avoidance, unless you really like small rooms and lots of male company. I nearly went to jail for a fight that I had with multiple people because of the damage that I did, even though I was on my own and there was several of them. Assault occasioning bodily harm, and grievous bodily harm are not terms you what to become familiar with.

Yeah, generally I agree with you in every point. By the way- I have also seen people who kick very high without any training. I also was a flexible guy without much training before starting to train harder
 
The best self defense is humor.

I a read story of a sherdoger watching a group of foreigners in another country on the subway where after exiting the subway two of the friends leave and the other waits behind, possibly for another train, and the man accosts the third friend once he is alone in 'self defense.'
HOW DARE HE WAIT FOR A SUBWAY!
 
The best self defense is humor.

I a read story of a sherdoger watching a group of foreigners in another country on the subway where after exiting the subway two of the friends leave and the other waits behind, possibly for another train, and the man accosts the third friend once he is alone in 'self defense.'
HOW DARE HE WAIT FOR A SUBWAY!
Yep, the so called "verbal judo"is important. I know people who can't fight at all, but never in danger, because they know what to talk and make everywhere every time. I don't know how they deal with these situations, but it is some kind of gift. :)
 
Yep, the so called "verbal judo"is important. I know people who can't fight at all, but never in danger, because they know what to talk and make everywhere every time. I don't know how they deal with these situations, but it is some kind of gift. :)
They have improvisational comedy classes, that might be a good start. There are also books on why things are funny.
 
They have improvisational comedy classes, that might be a good start. There are also books on why things are funny.
I don't know is this enough. I am very funny person with great sense of humor, but in such situations I am best at fighting. I just can't deescalate the things.
 
I don't know is this enough. I am very funny person with great sense of humor, but in such situations I am best at fighting. I just can't deescalate the things.
I am not really aware of what you are thinking of so if I respond without said context I will be imagining a situation that my advice may not apply to.
 
I am making this thread, because of all the experts who give different opinions. I've been training for a very long time martial arts and combat sports and I definitely feel very strange about tall those facts on internet and that's why I want to ask all the sherdoggers who have actually in street fights and/ or self defense situations to share their opinion on some of this truths or myths.

1) Don't use headbutts in fight! Don't headbutt with your forehead, but instead of it use the top of the head!
I have never headbutted someone or been headbutted by someone so here I can't share experience.

2) Don't use punches! Use vertical punches! Use only the bottom three knuckles! Use open hand strikes and other variations of hand strikes (hammer fists, knife hands, finger jabs and etc.).
I've always used mainly punches. I have never hurt my hands. Yes, I have some conditioning and also I use punches quite often for GnP. In my wushu gym we were taught vertical punches, but I can't remember a case in which I have used a vertical straight punch. And about the knuckles- I think it is less painful to land with the smaller knuckles and it is somehow more natural (just go on the heavy bag without trying to land with the bigger knuckles and see which knuckles are more bruised after this). Slaps and hammer fists have been used by me and they also have some effect. When fighting for fun with friends, with only body blows allowed I have used spear hands. They have effect, believe me, especially in the solar plexus or liver.

3) Don't lift your feet of the ground except for moving! Don't kick! Don't kick high!
Honestly in training I have always spent a lot of time for practicing my kicks. In street fight if I am calm I will use them. In hard sparring sessions I have missed to land a leg kick to the supporting leg of my partner after I caught his kicking leg. I was so pissed off, because he was going too hard. I have noticed many times that when the things are going hard, I don't use so much my kicks. Honestly I am not sure is it so easy to fall on the ground if you kick in a street fight. If your adrenaline is too high, you just don't kick, you rely more on you punches, it is somehow natural.

4) Don't grapple! Don't go on the ground!
I have grappled and use it to move the fight on the ground. I have never had a problem. I don't say that it is safe, but still the grappling is very helpful and might be s safer way to finish a fight. I prefer to control my opponents and to throw some GnP and the things become calmer very fast.

5) Parry and block instead of avoiding the strikes!
I block, just by absorbing the strikes mainly. I catch sometimes kicks, but not so often. I don't know what is the purpose of this rule, but if you stick to it, you are going to violate rule 4.

6) Keep your hands opened in front of you like in a MT stance!
Sometimes I use this stance. But in close range with punches in bunches I am not very sure that is going to help.

7) The size doesn't matter!
If you are top level athlete and you are fighting someone with less skills it is true. In every other caset the size matters. Yes, smaller people beat bigger guys, but this is so rear. I have always used my size advantage and I think it is helping a lot.

So guys, these are some the things that we all constantly listen. Most coaches look to these rules only through their MA or CS's view. What do you think about these rules? Do you stick to them? Does anyone think that all or some of them are useful?
Better stop fighting in the street. Especially under influence of alcohol.
In my teens I was training in a boxing club with about 10 solid members.
3 of them ended up in prison. 1 of them killed a guy in a bar fight.
Also I have spent 5 years in police patrolling streets, 95% of crimes were made by drunk guys fighting in the streets.
Technically, I agree with all of your thoughts about fighting in the street if we speak about only one opponent, but everything changes when there is a group of attackers or someone takes out a knife or a gun.
Please be careful.
 
Only use what you know to supplement you to GTFO as soon as possible if you couldn't otherwise. Anything else is life ruiningly foolish with no pay-off in this day and age

If you want a fair fight, spar at the gym or controlled environment.
 
Only use what you know to supplement you to GTFO as soon as possible if you couldn't otherwise. Anything else is life ruiningly foolish with no pay-off in this day and age

If you want a fair fight, spar at the gym or controlled environment.
Absolutely!
In a gym a coach, a referee, a friend, or your opponent himself will stop when you are beaten and cannot fight back. At the street it is unlikely, especially when the booze is there.
 
I don't know is this enough. I am very funny person with great sense of humor, but in such situations I am best at fighting. I just can't deescalate the things.
When you respond in this way it created a moral obligation NOT to teach you martial skills.

Seriously, I think you should take classes that teach you to be situationally aware and creatively funny in the moment like improv comedy or clown, stand up comedy if they have it.

People all want to be 'in' on the joke or else they feel like the butt of it.
 
I don't know is this enough. I am very funny person with great sense of humor, but in such situations I am best at fighting. I just can't deescalate the things.
Unfortunately sportsmen, especially those who are doing contact sports, or, which is really funny, any kind of weightlifting overestimate themselves in a streetfights.
I mean, in situations when ordinary guy steps back, sportsmen would continue confrontation. Which almost always result in problems with the law.
Not long before at the age of 37 died Roman Romanchuk, great boxer, one of the best in Russian Federation National team. Below is citation from Wikipedia:
"On 28 July 2008, Romanchuk was arrested by the police in Vladivostok, Russia, for shooting a man in the eye in a drunken fight. He was convicted of "murder committed with excessive force in self-defense" and sentenced to 1 year 6 months of imprisonment on 27 March 2009. According to the judge, the victim, 22-year-old Oleg Meshkov, attacked Romanchuk, but Romanchuk went beyond self-defense when he took the Osa non-lethal pistol from Meshkov, shot him in the face and punched and kicked him in the head. His conviction was overturned on appeal on 28 July 2009 and at the time of his death he was facing a second trial."
That stupid problem finished his career.
There were several other stupid situation when young sportsmen were even killed:
MMA fighter killed powerlifting champion of the world -
Two members of Russian Federation Freestyle Wrestling team were beaten to death by the drunken crowd -

I know about a hundred of other examples. Again, the best fight is the avoided one.
Peace, bro.
 
Unfortunately sportsmen, especially those who are doing contact sports, or, which is really funny, any kind of weightlifting overestimate themselves in a streetfights.
I mean, in situations when ordinary guy steps back, sportsmen would continue confrontation. Which almost always result in problems with the law.
Not long before at the age of 37 died Roman Romanchuk, great boxer, one of the best in Russian Federation National team. Below is citation from Wikipedia:
"On 28 July 2008, Romanchuk was arrested by the police in Vladivostok, Russia, for shooting a man in the eye in a drunken fight. He was convicted of "murder committed with excessive force in self-defense" and sentenced to 1 year 6 months of imprisonment on 27 March 2009. According to the judge, the victim, 22-year-old Oleg Meshkov, attacked Romanchuk, but Romanchuk went beyond self-defense when he took the Osa non-lethal pistol from Meshkov, shot him in the face and punched and kicked him in the head. His conviction was overturned on appeal on 28 July 2009 and at the time of his death he was facing a second trial."
That stupid problem finished his career.
There were several other stupid situation when young sportsmen were even killed:
MMA fighter killed powerlifting champion of the world -
Two members of Russian Federation Freestyle Wrestling team were beaten to death by the drunken crowd -

I know about a hundred of other examples. Again, the best fight is the avoided one.
Peace, bro.

TOTALLY WORTH IT!
 
Better stop fighting in the street. Especially under influence of alcohol.
In my teens I was training in a boxing club with about 10 solid members.
3 of them ended up in prison. 1 of them killed a guy in a bar fight.
Also I have spent 5 years in police patrolling streets, 95% of crimes were made by drunk guys fighting in the streets.
Technically, I agree with all of your thoughts about fighting in the street if we speak about only one opponent, but everything changes when there is a group of attackers or someone takes out a knife or a gun.
Please be careful.

Wow, great to hear someone on the internet who is agreeing with me and not pretending to be "deadly street specialist"! I also agree with you, man- fighting is dangerous, but sometimes it is your only option.

When you respond in this way it created a moral obligation NOT to teach you martial skills.

Seriously, I think you should take classes that teach you to be situationally aware and creatively funny in the moment like improv comedy or clown, stand up comedy if they have it.

People all want to be 'in' on the joke or else they feel like the butt of it.

Man, I agree with you generally, but in my case the problem is that I am trying to seem too good and nice guy. Many times the people are talking shit and making fun with me and I just smile, but I am not very cool with this and sometimes- BOOM, the champagne is exploding! :)

Unfortunately sportsmen, especially those who are doing contact sports, or, which is really funny, any kind of weightlifting overestimate themselves in a streetfights.
I mean, in situations when ordinary guy steps back, sportsmen would continue confrontation. Which almost always result in problems with the law.
Not long before at the age of 37 died Roman Romanchuk, great boxer, one of the best in Russian Federation National team. Below is citation from Wikipedia:
"On 28 July 2008, Romanchuk was arrested by the police in Vladivostok, Russia, for shooting a man in the eye in a drunken fight. He was convicted of "murder committed with excessive force in self-defense" and sentenced to 1 year 6 months of imprisonment on 27 March 2009. According to the judge, the victim, 22-year-old Oleg Meshkov, attacked Romanchuk, but Romanchuk went beyond self-defense when he took the Osa non-lethal pistol from Meshkov, shot him in the face and punched and kicked him in the head. His conviction was overturned on appeal on 28 July 2009 and at the time of his death he was facing a second trial."
That stupid problem finished his career.
There were several other stupid situation when young sportsmen were even killed:
MMA fighter killed powerlifting champion of the world -
Two members of Russian Federation Freestyle Wrestling team were beaten to death by the drunken crowd -

I know about a hundred of other examples. Again, the best fight is the avoided one.
Peace, bro.


Since I was little kid, I couldn't resist to anything which was challenge for me. I was even bullied, but I was keeping to go through these places where there were some gangs, I just couldn't back down. My pride is too big. I know that it is not good, but... I can't change... Probably one day someone would change me, in the hard way. :D
And about the boxer- I was just starting to train hard in 2008 and I have read for him in the newspapers then (I am live in Eastern Europe so the tights with Russia are still close). I was feeling very pity for the young man- he was student in the university, good boxer, had beautiful girlfriend... I was pity for the other guy, too- to be so young and to lose an eye! It is pity that the people make such things!
Peace, bro!
 
1 avoid grappling
2 boxing is pretty much best sport for street.
3 you stop giving a fuck about things like this when you get older.

This comes from a ex criminal and ex bouncer
 
If you need to learn fighting better to not lose in any of your street-fights, what you really need is aggression therapy and find a way out of that lifestyle.
 
I am making this thread, because of all the experts who give different opinions. I've been training for a very long time martial arts and combat sports and I definitely feel very strange about tall those facts on internet and that's why I want to ask all the sherdoggers who have actually in street fights and/ or self defense situations to share their opinion on some of this truths or myths.

1) Don't use headbutts in fight! Don't headbutt with your forehead, but instead of it use the top of the head!
I have never headbutted someone or been headbutted by someone so here I can't share experience.

2) Don't use punches! Use vertical punches! Use only the bottom three knuckles! Use open hand strikes and other variations of hand strikes (hammer fists, knife hands, finger jabs and etc.).
I've always used mainly punches. I have never hurt my hands. Yes, I have some conditioning and also I use punches quite often for GnP. In my wushu gym we were taught vertical punches, but I can't remember a case in which I have used a vertical straight punch. And about the knuckles- I think it is less painful to land with the smaller knuckles and it is somehow more natural (just go on the heavy bag without trying to land with the bigger knuckles and see which knuckles are more bruised after this). Slaps and hammer fists have been used by me and they also have some effect. When fighting for fun with friends, with only body blows allowed I have used spear hands. They have effect, believe me, especially in the solar plexus or liver.

3) Don't lift your feet of the ground except for moving! Don't kick! Don't kick high!
Honestly in training I have always spent a lot of time for practicing my kicks. In street fight if I am calm I will use them. In hard sparring sessions I have missed to land a leg kick to the supporting leg of my partner after I caught his kicking leg. I was so pissed off, because he was going too hard. I have noticed many times that when the things are going hard, I don't use so much my kicks. Honestly I am not sure is it so easy to fall on the ground if you kick in a street fight. If your adrenaline is too high, you just don't kick, you rely more on you punches, it is somehow natural.

4) Don't grapple! Don't go on the ground!
I have grappled and use it to move the fight on the ground. I have never had a problem. I don't say that it is safe, but still the grappling is very helpful and might be s safer way to finish a fight. I prefer to control my opponents and to throw some GnP and the things become calmer very fast.

5) Parry and block instead of avoiding the strikes!
I block, just by absorbing the strikes mainly. I catch sometimes kicks, but not so often. I don't know what is the purpose of this rule, but if you stick to it, you are going to violate rule 4.

6) Keep your hands opened in front of you like in a MT stance!
Sometimes I use this stance. But in close range with punches in bunches I am not very sure that is going to help.

7) The size doesn't matter!
If you are top level athlete and you are fighting someone with less skills it is true. In every other caset the size matters. Yes, smaller people beat bigger guys, but this is so rear. I have always used my size advantage and I think it is helping a lot.

So guys, these are some the things that we all constantly listen. Most coaches look to these rules only through their MA or CS's view. What do you think about these rules? Do you stick to them? Does anyone think that all or some of them are useful?

everything is internet keyboard warrior advice with the exception of how to throw a proper head butt.
 
What does it mean if you are heavily restricted in defending yourself or property? If you are punished or discouraged by various means from trying to move away from bad areas? If even having groups or social organisms of friends or other akin people to benefit from numbers when useful or necessary is something people don't even think of as a possibility?

One can't help but get the sense that members of your incumbent ruling classes are warmed and comforted at night by the thought of you (and/or folk like you) being killed.

Of course not to throw stones; they're not too different in character in America either for that matter. That lingering vestiges of ideas like 'right to bear arms' yet persist is just a function perhaps that the pedestrians they oversee have tended to be lot more ornery about having unreasonable instincts for self-preservation. A bit more difficult to manage you understand (though initiatives for replacement with easier marks have gone in fits and stops over intervening decades).

We are allowed to use reasonable force. Which is reasonable. If you're an idiot about it you will get charged.

The lack of weapon carrying is not as a result of our "incumbent ruling classes" <{MingNope}>

It's down to the majority of the public thinking that people who carry around weapons are dangerous tools who should be stopped. Scraps happen often late at night, if everyone was armed it would be ridiculous.

It's just a different way of doing things, neither better or worse necessarily. It's the people after all who do the crime.
 
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