Strategy for street fights? Swarmers?

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So I've recently found some street fights on Youtube and noticed that most street fights involve a lot of swarming, often out of nowhere, here is a good compilation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKNQsswAO8Y
Realistically, how could one best fight against this? I could see kicks dismantling most of these, but they could be risky if they come in fast. Aren't wide, swarming hooks, with a lot of foot movement a weakness against Muay Thai?
 
Usually, I go for Sweet Chin Music but if there's a chair or table I can climb, a Swanton Bomb is never a bad choice.
 
It's hard to tell.

I guess there are 2 aspects.

The psychological one : the intimidation associated with having someone scary that is really ready to hurt you is fucked up. Also, sheer crazyness counts for alot.

The technical part : people usually don't know how to fight. If you are trained you will likely see their punches a mile away. However, I have seen people get really messed up in street altercations. As in the guy is on the ground with no movement until the ambulance comes up and put him on a stretcher. So there are dangerous people out there.

I don't know. I haven't been in a street fight in like 15 years. You usually can avoid these things.

My last word is that unlike what everyone here is saying, some people that I could dismantle in a ring could kick my ass in a street fight simply because they are more crazy than me and because it is not my element.
 
that was some of the shittest punches ive ever seen thrown in my 30 years on earth
 
For street fights I would recommend basic boxing stuff, 1-2s or quick hooks, just go for the kill, you have to remember that 99% of people don't know shit about fighting. Someone who isn't trained in striking doesn't know anything about managing distance and will likely line up perfectly for your 1-2. Swarmers usually throw punches you can see from a mile away and expose themselves so you can hit them with straight right easily. As I said, quick 1-2s will forever be the best against untrained people.

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Remember, even the agressive thugs on the streets have no training in most cases, it's very unlikely some skilled fighter who trains 4 times a week will act like a complete moron but if you really end up fighting with someone who's well trained you can view it as a free sparring session. :)
 
I always thought that my strategy for a street altercation would be a lot of movement and throw basic 1-2s and look for a way out at and run if I can. I would try to end a street fight as soon as possible either by knocking him out, or running. If I hit the guy and that doesn't end the fight, I'm getting the fuck out. I don't want to stay for any legal repercussions.

I hate watching street fights as I think they are trashy but gave it a watch. One of the reasons so many those dude are getting knocked out so easily is because most tough guys on the street are very rarely mentally ready to get hit. Not to mention most of them look like kids anyway. Training will make you make you more used to getting hit and give you the posture and balance to not get knocked silly by a windmill punch should you get hit by one. It will also give you a better eye for reading opponents and seeing the punches coming. Seeing a punch coming makes a huge difference in how it affects you. It seems most of those people weren't even looking at their opponents; just had their head down (or sometimes chin way up) and probably even their eyes closed and started swinging blindly.
 
serr said:
So I've recently found some street fights on Youtube and noticed that most street fights involve a lot of swarming, often out of nowhere,
Realistically, how could one best fight against this? I could see kicks dismantling most of these, but they could be risky if they come in fast. Aren't wide, swarming hooks, with a lot of foot movement a weakness against Muay Thai?
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As brutal, devastating and effective muay Thai is I must say that it does have it's flaws from a realistic street brawl perspective; at least traditional muay Thai as practiced in Thailand.

For one martial art that addresses all phases of a street brawl (swarming and all) I'd say look no further than Kudo Daidojuku.

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Get the dominant grip or clinch first, and work from there. Try to turn it into a hockey fight.

If you dont get the opportunity to throw hands cause they are busy keeping the opponents hands at bay, then throw kicks to the shin or kneecap and throw knees, or go for takedowns.

It kind of reminds of these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4KqHC-dwSk

 
In a street fight you want it done as quick as possible. So that means no kicks, unless it's to the groin. Clinch work is out too, why would you want to bring an opponent who could have a knife in close range?
Best bet is to run.
 
^^this

run, or if they aren't letting you run, then

punch and run
 
I'm not going to watch a complilation of crappy street fights. As for what has worked in my experience...

Keep range/distance. Don't let a guy get right up on you if you can avoid it. If someone gets to arms length don't assume he's gonna just talk shit as this isn't high school anymore. If you let them break range then be ready to fight


Straight punches beat street hooks. 1-2s work great as well as 1-1-2s. Muay Thai clinch works great as guys have no idea what you're doing. Just clinch and go with your strong side knee as hard as you can into his mid section.

Stay away from kicks unless you have lumpinee on your resume. Push kick are the safest.

If you survive a street fight get out of there and go home ASAP

Most important....most important..

Avoid street fights at all cost. Do whatever you can to avoid it. We all have our limits but do your best to not be involved in one. Make it a clear case in your mind of self defense. It's all fun and games until you seriously injure someone and catch a felony assault case. This is to say nothing of the obvious downside if you get smashed.
 
Run.

If you can't run, then knee hard in the ghoulies. Then run.
 
In a "honorable" fight where there are no weapons or possibility of the opponents friends jumping in, then grappling rules. Also clinch and knees are awesome.
If there is even the possibility of knife being palmed, broken bottle being used, or a group of his pals lending a boot to you on the ground, the best tactic it point karate type evading, and then running at the first possible chance. Not very cool, but the safest choice -and you are not fighting in the streets to be cool, right?
 
shinkyoku said:
-and you are not fighting in the streets to be cool, right?
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Kind of, I mean if someone comes up to me and wants to fight to prove they can beat me in a fight, like an honor thing, I want to know the easiest way to fight a "street fighter". I'd imagine teeps and clinches would work best. Not really to show off or be cool, I think if I know they're not using a weapon or anything I just have this thing where I can't say no. Feel like the other person deserves to be able to prove himself even if he's drunk or w/e.
 
I hate watching these street fight videos. The people taping and laughing are pos's.

Guys ITT saying "just throw the teep and then kick, and then..." it doesn't work like that. Street fights and brawls are not the same as a 1on1 in a ring or cage. Don't expect people to play by the rules or be nice. ALWAYS be ready if someone steps up or gives off a vibe. People are animals. That is why getting too drunk is not a good idea, you basicly get smashed no matter how good you are. If it's a fair fight, it's easy if you know how to fight because most people do not. However street fights are all about violence, dominance and a hardened mentality, that is why I hate it. Someone comes within reach and you check them with a strong punch to the jaw. The one who hits first usually wins, it's a cowards game really.

When someone is swarming you, if you can keep good composure, good position, weather the storm and then throw hard compact punches or elbows, you'll probably do alright. It's a big help if you have good natural balance, wrestling and can push them off. Bitch rules(street rules), knee to the groin.
 
Straight, clean punches. If it turns to stand up grappling then it's clinch and elbows.
 
If a guy is trying to swarm you can try and negate his swarming or stand your ground and fight him.

So, option A would involve distance control with footwork and straight punches, or your best long range weapons.

Option B would revolve around crowding the other guys punches, rolling with shots, finding room to punch, wrestling, cutting angles with pivots, or dominating the inside with short hooks.

What you do exactly will depend. If you don't have room for option A then you have to do option B. If a guy runs at you like an wild animal then you might have to do option B until he calms down, or maybe you just hit him on the way in, stick and move style, if it's the obvious thing to do at the time.

A good way to look at it is the funnel of chaos analogy. There's always chaos in battle. You can only limit it so much. The rest should be funneled into your opponent. That's when you have complete control... swarming works off this concept.
 
serr said:
So I've recently found some street fights on Youtube and noticed that most street fights involve a lot of swarming, often out of nowhere, here is a good compilation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKNQsswAO8Y
Realistically, how could one best fight against this? I could see kicks dismantling most of these, but they could be risky if they come in fast. Aren't wide, swarming hooks, with a lot of foot movement a weakness against Muay Thai?
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I will answer a youtube question with a youtube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1UnsuUFCGY

^By far the best way I've seen. It works in group fights as well.
 
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