Stipe Miocic is two fights away from GOAT status in 2021

I like Stipe but I find it questionable to call him GOAT simply because he lost to a somewhat-prime JDS (and then beat him later when JDS was further out of his prime) while Cain was able to put down a massive beating on absolute prime JDS. Because of that, I'm just not sure how well Stipe would've done against the older generation of heavyweights. Also, he lost to Struve.
if only stipe wasnt TKO'ed by stefen struve..........

Stipe lost to Struve in his 2nd year of pro career...
 
Nah he will never surpass Fedor or Nog. Just too late

TKOd by Struve in his purime at 30 (Struve was a HW of his time) and lost to JDS when both were in their purime. He beat a washed Junior that was dropping rounds too Tai Tuivasa. Got KOd cold in the 1st round during his purime.

He didnt finish the best HWs of his era either. Only DC, Del Rosario really.

Hunto, Arlovski, Reem and Werdum werent his era. They were all 2 eras ago (Reem a tweener from PRIDE era to the next era before Stipes) just chugging along in their 40s b/c how horrible the UFCs division was. Daniel was a tweener from the past and this era so he counts. Kongo isnt a HW of this era even tho hes been top 20 for years just b/c of how shit the division has been compared to its glory days. He didnt finish Francis either

DC, Minakov, Volkov, Blaydes, Rozenstruik, Francis, Lewis, Ivanov, Timothy, Tybura, Shamil, Sakai, maybe Moldavsky, Boser, Pavlovich and Gane were the HWs from his era but theyre prolly closer to purime when Stipe is at the end so i wont fault him for those 3
 
Stipe lost to Struve in his 2nd year of pro career...
so you are saying stipe was not past his prime? those in goat categories didnt lose till past thier prime, fedor didnt lose in his second year as a pro, neither did khabib, or jones, or any other 'potential' goat. and he never did avenge that loss. now that struve is old and clearly past his gatekeeper status stipe will never get to avenge said loss.
 
TKOd by Struve in his purime at 30

In his 2nd year as a pro...
Are you the type of guy who remind Silva losing to Takase? Nogueira losing to Henderson too? Let alone Mirko vs Randleman

Regardles, if you dont see the big improvements he did in his game since his 2nd year as a pro that's your problem, but nobody who knows would call that prime Stipe
 
so you are saying stipe was not past his prime? those in goat categories didnt lose till past thier prime, fedor didnt lose in his second year as a pro, neither did khabib, or jones, or any other 'potential' goat. and he never did avenge that loss. now that struve is old and clearly past his gatekeeper status stipe will never get to avenge said loss.

You dont even make sense. Cut the BS
 
You dont even make sense. Cut the BS
guy was 30 years old. doenst matter if it was his 2nd year or 5th year. he got TKO'ed by a gatekeeper. he will never be goat. 30 years old as a fighter is prime fighting age. he got TKO'ed in his prime 2nd year or not. not hard to understand or make sense of this. fedor went like 32-0 against the cream of the crop (before he lost, way way past his prime)
 
Why these clueless Dorks keep making dumb threads?

This thread belongs in lightweights
 
Has not beaten a single guy in their 20s (athletic prime).

Has beaten one guy in their prime at all (Ngannu).

Stipe does not even sniff GOAT status with that piss poor competition.
 
guy was 30 years old. doenst matter if it was his 2nd year or 5th year. he got TKO'ed by a gatekeeper. he will never be goat. 30 years old as a fighter is prime fighting age. he got TKO'ed in his prime 2nd year or not. not hard to understand or make sense of this. fedor went like 32-0 against the cream of the crop (before he lost, way way past his prime)

Ok thanks for your input
 
You dont even make sense. Cut the BS
Exactly. That idiot fails to realize that stipe will never be goat over Fedor due to momentum... Fedor didn't lose early in his career (legitimately). Stipe lost twice!!
 
If stipe beats francis and jones back to back after winning the DC trilogy, anybody saying there’s ever been a better heavyweight should be completely ashamed.

there’s not even a close second in terms of resume and accomplishments if stipe beats jones
 
If he beats Jones and Ngannou in his next two fights, you’d have to be delusional to not have him as at least the HW GOAT.
 
guy was 30 years old. doenst matter if it was his 2nd year or 5th year. he got TKO'ed by a gatekeeper. he will never be goat. 30 years old as a fighter is prime fighting age. he got TKO'ed in his prime 2nd year or not. not hard to understand or make sense of this. fedor went like 32-0 against the cream of the crop (before he lost, way way past his prime)

So you think success in MMA is due solely to physical status, without any influence from knowledge or experience? That's silly. But I hope at least it prevents you from discrediting Stipe's win against Francis on account that the latter was "too green."
 
Miocic faced too many grandpa fighters to be the goat
 
Ngannou also got outclassed by Miocic and neutralized by Lewis.
BJ was at the top with one year of MMA. Ngannou is a great talent and hard worker, and evolving, do not downplay him. And get real, everybody in the roster is avoiding these men.
Ngannou didnt beat Cormier and Werdum btw, nor Miocic himself. I would love to see him vs Volkov, it's a fantasy matchup for the HW division and whoever wins a great challenge for the champ imo
Frank didn’t get “neutralized” by Lewis that’s revisionist crap. Both dudes were non active by choice. Neither showed up that night.
 
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