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Stipe Miocic is two fights away from GOAT status in 2021

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  1. pankrat Red Belt

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    Already undisputed UFC HW GOAT, in 2021 Miocic has ahead of him the chance of facing p4p GOAT candidate Jon Jones and the best new generation HW in Ngannou.
    Overcoming these two challenges, especially if he does in dominant fashion, would make hard to deny Miocic GOAT status.

    Who would have a case?

    > Finally surpass Fedor

    > Cleaned out a division as StPierre, but did so in the absolute one, beat more GOAT candidates, and often finished

    > The undisputed GOAT HW will always be above GOAT manlet in prizefighting, more so in MMA, as good as Johnson is

    > If Jones gives Miocic a competitive fight, win or lose I still think he is GOAT, actually cements his place, PEDs aside. In case Miocic finishes though...

    > If Miocic finishes Jones and Francis he would surpass Silva. and PEDs.

    > All the reasons above help Stipe's case above Aldo too

    > Khabib could be the p4p best who ever step into the octagon but didnt dodge enough bullets to attain GOAT status imo

    I'm not sure Miocic will get it done though

     
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  2. WhosTheBoss Degenerate

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    Stipe , and not to his fault, has beat past their prime people for most of his career.
    Sadly that’s the HW division and how it’s been for years.

    his win over Francis was great. But let’s be honest , Francis was a noob to MMA.

    I think Francis wins within 2 rounds in the rematch.
     
  3. Pakman Steel Belt

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    Stipe would need like 4 straight dominant wins over Frank, JBJ, Blaydes, and co.
     
  4. jojoRed Aint no stress on me, Lord.

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    People are just gonna say Jones was past it and wasnt sauced, if Stipe beats him.
     
  5. Beherit Banned Banned

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    no one fighting in this joke of a division today should be called the GOAT, sorry.

    Stipe will never surpass Fedor, not his fault, but his era is to poor in talents.

    Fucking dude from cameroon started MMA 4 years ago cleaned the entire division. That's not possible in any division with actual skills.
     
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  6. pankrat Red Belt

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    As much as you want to downplay his competition because of age, to be #1 contenders they beat the new blood, and while MMA has evolved and expanded, fighter still cut weight to avoid these men.
    They would actually be a problem for younger versions of themselves in many cases, since experience and technique hold more weight in the absolute division.
     
  7. Manson Yellow Belt

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    Fedor is still GOAT, most fearsome mma fighter of all time... Jones, Stipe, Khabib and even GSP and Silva are just "all time great" but Fedor is GOAT and will remain so.
     
  8. Megalodon Brown Belt

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    A HW can't be GOAT imo, not in todays era anyway, the competition just isn't there.

    Alistair fucking Overeem, a guy who has been fighting in both MMA and Kickboxing since like 1999 is still a top 5 HW, that just doesn't happen in the elite weight classes.
     
  9. shrdgr Orange Belt

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    I like Stipe but I find it questionable to call him GOAT simply because he lost to a somewhat-prime JDS (and then beat him later when JDS was further out of his prime) while Cain was able to put down a massive beating on absolute prime JDS. Because of that, I'm just not sure how well Stipe would've done against the older generation of heavyweights. Also, he lost to Struve.
     
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    if only stipe wasnt TKO'ed by stefen struve..........
     
  11. WhosTheBoss Degenerate

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    Exactly this. Not their fault. It’s just now it is.
     
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    He would need to avenge struve loss before being considered as GOAT. Until then. No dice.
     
  13. Kryptt Dead Belt Platinum Member

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    So many Goats!

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    Actual Sherdawg footage.
     
  14. Fesaine Black Belt

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    If he beat ngannou and jones then he's the goat by far. No one can match his resume at they point.
     
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  15. orca P4P #1 Machida fan

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    the only resume that comes close to jons. i mean look at all those wins he have
     
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  16. The Chosen Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    If he goes on that win streak of beating DC, Ngannou, and Jones back to back that would be quite the resumé for sure
     
  17. pankrat Red Belt

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    Ngannou also got outclassed by Miocic and neutralized by Lewis.
    BJ was at the top with one year of MMA. Ngannou is a great talent and hard worker, and evolving, do not downplay him. And get real, everybody in the roster is avoiding these men.
    Ngannou didnt beat Cormier and Werdum btw, nor Miocic himself. I would love to see him vs Volkov, it's a fantasy matchup for the HW division and whoever wins a great challenge for the champ imo
     
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  18. Fesaine Black Belt

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    Stipe already surpassed Fedor as the heavyweight GOAT. If he beat Ngannou and Jones then he has a very strong argument for being the GOAT.
     
  19. orca P4P #1 Machida fan

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    prime fedor wont beat all of those guys u claim where past prime
    he cant even beat a mw.. imagine stipe vs hendo
     
  20. joeson Green Belt

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    How is he going to beat Ngannou and JBJ in 2021 when he only fights once a year?
     

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