Stephan Kesting, this is plain wrong (three ways to escape any submission app)

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by BJJ_Rage, Jan 21, 2015.

  1. cjd

    cjd Blue Belt

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    he has that icy Canadian determination, though
     
  2. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    I fully agree armbars...
     
  3. Ippwnage

    Ippwnage Banned Banned

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    you know money is not soap? maybe we have come to the root of your chronic brownstains

    :p

    (yeah i am fried)
     
  4. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    thanks for the support bro, but lets not talk about stephan skills (I know you didnt mean to downplayed his skills or anything, but things could get missunderstood, like I said, I ahve mad respects towards him, hes legit, and Im no one...)
     
  5. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    which? im rich enough to wipe my ass with 10$ bills? :mad:

    PS: im not.
     
  6. lechien

    lechien Gold Belt

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    I would to pay for his apps to see what is his late escape to RNC. lol.

    My guess is to tuck your chin to buy yourself some times and then peel off the overhand.
     
  7. Ippwnage

    Ippwnage Banned Banned

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    yeah, basically shoulder up and chin down and use both hands to push up the hand behind your head. he really cautions that this rarely works on someone who knows what they are doing.
     
  8. lechien

    lechien Gold Belt

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    well there you have it.

    No big drama.

    just little things that can buy time.

    not major problem solver but still good to identify where they fit in the scheme of things.
     
  9. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    his RNCs escape videos are in his yt channel. Good video by the way.
     
  10. Ippwnage

    Ippwnage Banned Banned

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    yeah
    [YT]JR2e0IsqhrQ[/YT]

    might as well put this here too

    [YT]szAvJFvIzx4[/YT]
     
  11. Byrd

    Byrd Blue Belt

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    If you are that busted up about it, email him and he will probably give your money back for the app.

    BTW, I might not be able to, but im sure there is someone out there in the BJJ community that can use that specific technique and get out of your locked in RNC.
     
  12. Codger

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    Any of might actually be relevant if Stephen had ever claimed he a 100% of escaping a top competitor's, fully locked RNC.

    But he hasn't.

    What has happened is that someone has chosen to interpret a headline of a blog post to mean something the writer didn't mean. And even though the post goes on quite clearly to state that late-stage escapes don't always work, for some reason this still matters.
     
  13. yetanother

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    Didn't Roger escaped a locked triangle when fighting Xande at the ADCC.
    He escaped a locked armbar when facing Buchecha.
    And if I remember correctly he escaped a bow and arrow when fighting Marcelo.
     
  14. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    I didnt buy the app, although, im sure is quality material.

    I didnt like the MKT strategy thats it.

    regarding "MY" locked in RNC, im sure there is.
     
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    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    the whole freaking post Ive been saying that its exactly what you just said, THE HEADLINES, thats it.
     
  16. Codger

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    For someone obsessed with just the headline, it's odd you posted everything but the headline in your OP.

    Even the headline can be interpreted in more than one way and even if you take your particular reading of it, it still doesn't make a promise that you'll escape a fully set in RNC as applied by a good grappler
     
  17. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    the headline is in the freaking title of the thread, plus I posted the source, which leads you to his blog which includes the headline, plus the article.

    Of course the headline could be interpreted in more than one way, why do you think I didnt like the headline? because its misleading, or at least it seems to be vague, it sounds a lot like Lloyds type of MKt, and I didnt have stephan in that line of mkt.
     
  18. Dogstarman

    Dogstarman Old man jiu jitsu

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    The guy is trying to sell something. He isn't saying ok here is this level but to get the super secret stuff you need to pay 1 million dollars. Sure it's a little bit of click bait but you can't blame him for that. You need to fucking relax man. I don't know why people hate when guys in martial arts try and make some money.
     
  19. Codger

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    It's nothing like LI.

    In fact I'd go as far as saying that Kesting's marketing is just about the best internet marketing for martial arts I've seen. Let's suppose he wrote that article purely as a link to his app - it's still genuinely useful and interesting content. And the offer to look at his app doesn't dominate. You don't need to sign up to endless emails. There's no "Click to say YES to secret escapes that will DOMINATE the opposition" idiocy. If you want to compare Dan ***ella's tactics with LI then I'm with you. I hate that crap too.

    Seems to me it's a very fair deal where you get good content and he gets the opportunity to offer you some goods, and no actual pressure to buy anything. And if you do choose to d/l the app it's like $3.99. I have bought it and it's well worth it. Good, clear instruction, well laid out, great price.

    I think you might even be the only person on the planet who believes they were misled by the title into thinking his app would give you the ability to escape an RNC fully locked in by a pro.
     
  20. PointyShinyBurn

    PointyShinyBurn Purple Belt

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    I think Rage is just misreading the title. It doesn't mean "any submission" as in "all the possible instances of being in a sub", but any submission technique I.e. " these principles apply to triangles, heel hooks or Mongolians death locks"
     

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