State Athletic Commissions: Testosterone Replacement Theropy vs Medical Marijuana?

[7wtc911]

Why is it OK for guys who have low testosterone levels to use TRT when recommended by a doctor and NOT OK for guys who have anxiety to use Marijuana when recommended by a doctor if it lets them sleep/calms nerves?

Given if the State permits each therapeutically/medicinally. Also given it was taken weeks before the actual fight.

Just watched the countdown vid and DIAZ brings it up at the 6:09 mark

The topic stats at 5:45 but DIAZ brings it up at 6:09

I can see his point. What do you think? Right or Wrong?

Spoiler

 

[GoodOleWrasslin]

Honestly, and im not saying its right, but you can measure testosterone and see the results on a lab test. You can't with anxiety.

People with anxiety disorders are often put into a category of "oh its in their mind, if they really wanted to they could just get better" which is total bullshit, and since there are no concrete biomarkers of it, its harder to be so finite about.

Then theres testosterone which is pretty cut and dry. They take some blood, they test it, it comes back with a number which is either above, in, or below the standard range.

Also weed is still federally illegal. Its a schedule 1 narcotic. Codeine is schedule 2. So wrap your brain around that. It makes so much sense. Weed is more dangerous than opiates according to the feds.

 

[Grimm911]

As long as weed is federally illegal than that shit is not going to change.
I really do not think it is going to give any sort of advantages during a fight either...
Plenty of other athletes go through all the stuff that diaz apparently has "anxiety over" though and they are fine..

It's a touchy subject, along with TRT

 

[ABC]

So when has Diaz of any other medical marijuana patient applied for a TUE?

 

[7wtc911]

Honestly, and im not saying its right, but you can measure testosterone and see the results on a lab test. You can't with anxiety.

I think that anxiety can be diagnosed by a doctor just like low testosterone can be diagnosed by a doctor.

The methods to test for each may be different but each can be measured with particular tests I believe.

 

[GoodOleWrasslin]

As long as weed is federally illegal than that shit is not going to change.

Idk about that. I mean just look at what the last few years have brought about in terms of state legislation on the issue. The next round of state balloting at least two more states are expected to legalize it recreationally too.

Eventually the feds will have to really address it and i think both public opinion and science is on the side of weed.

I mean its not 1980 anymore. The research has been done at Johns Hopkins, Standford, UT, all the big med schools the the results are pretty cut and dry, THC isn't bad for you and even when people consume it in dumb ways (smoking) its still not as bad for you at cigs or booze. It doesn't kill brain cells or stunt development, and its not addictive etc. I mean anyone who knows how to use google scholar can look it up themselves and find the published papers on it from the various institutions.

I think within 10-15 years it will probably be allowed in most major sporting competitions in the US.

 

[Nihilism]

As long as weed is federally illegal than that shit is not going to change.
I really do not think it is going to give any sort of advantages during a fight either...
Plenty of other athletes go through all the stuff that diaz apparently has "anxiety over" though and they are fine..

It's a touchy subject, along with TRT

Guys are going into fights with synthetic testosterone in their bodies, with permission. Nick Diaz doesn't want to go into a fight high.

 

[GoodOleWrasslin]

I think that anxiety can be diagnosed by a doctor just like low testosterone can be diagnosed by a doctor.

The methods to test for each may be different but each can be measured with particular tests I believe.

No it can't. There is no direct biomarker. Source: myself, been treated for anxiety and panic attacks for the last 3 years now.

There are things they can look for which are indicative of stress, certain chemical imbalances but thats it. Its not like a virus where they can test of antibodies to something or your T levels which they have specific tests for.

 

[7wtc911]

Idk about that. I mean just look at what the last few years have brought about in terms of state legislation on the issue. The next round of state balloting at least two more states are expected to legalize it recreationally too.

Eventually the feds will have to really address it and i think both public opinion and science is on the side of weed.

I mean its not 1980 anymore. The research has been done at Johns Hopkins, Standford, UT, all the big med schools the the results are pretty cut at dry, THC isn't bad for you and even when people consume it in dumb ways (smoking) its still not as bad for you at cigs or booze. It doesn't kill brain cells or stunt development, and its not addictive etc.

I think within 10-15 years it will probably be allowed in most major sporting competitions in the US.

I can agree with most of that

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Why is it OK for guys who have low testosterone levels to use TRT when recommended by a doctor and NOT OK for guys who have anxiety to use Marijuana when recommended by a doctor if it lets them sleep/calms nerves?

Given if the State permits each therapeutically/medicinally. Also given it was taken weeks before the actual fight.

Just watched the countdown vid and DIAZ brings it up at the 6:09 mark

The topic stats at 5:45 but DIAZ brings it up at 6:09

I can see his point. What do you think? Right or Wrong?

Spoiler

Both TRT and Marijuana have exemption forms that can be filled out. Diaz has never submitted an exemption or even attempted to get information regarding one.

Keith Kizer went as far as to say he would be willing to OK it weeks before a fight as long as it's Doctor issued.

Weed isn't unfairly getting picked on, Diaz just simply doesn't want to follow the rules.

 

[Grimm911]

Idk about that. I mean just look at what the last few years have brought about in terms of state legislation on the issue. The next round of state balloting at least two more states are expected to legalize it recreationally too.

Eventually the feds will have to really address it and i think both public opinion and science is on the side of weed.

I mean its not 1980 anymore. The research has been done at Johns Hopkins, Standford, UT, all the big med schools the the results are pretty cut at dry, THC isn't bad for you and even when people consume it in dumb ways (smoking) its still not as bad for you at cigs or booze. It doesn't kill brain cells or stunt development, and its not addictive etc.

I think within 10-15 years it will probably be allowed in most major sporting competitions in the US.

Again, as long as its illegal, nothing is going to fly now in Athletic commissions. I agree that it is going to change in the future though..

 

[Nihilism]

Both TRT and Marijuana have exemption forms that can be filled out. Diaz has never submitted an exemption or even attempted to get information regarding one.

Keith Kizer went as far as to say he would be willing to OK it weeks before a fight as long as it's Doctor issued.

Weed isn't unfairly getting picked on, Diaz just simply doesn't want to follow the rules.

Why do you assume Nick knew that was an option? I mean, if it's news to MMA journalists, it's probably news to Nick too.

 

[7wtc911]

Both TRT and Marijuana have exemption forms that can be filled out. Diaz has never submitted an exemption or even attempted to get information regarding one.

Keith Kizer went as far as to say he would be willing to OK it weeks before a fight as long as it's Doctor issued.

Weed isn't unfairly getting picked on, Diaz just simply doesn't want to follow the rules.

Crazy, didn't know all of that.

Does the UFC have it's own policy against Marijuana too? Do you know>?

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Why do you assume Nick knew that was an option? I mean, if it's news to MMA journalists, it's probably news to Nick too.

He was flat out told by the NSAC. They even gave him an opportunity to show them his marijuana card and he said he didn't have one even though he said he had one before.

The marijuana and TRT exemptions aren't secret. I'm not sure where you get the idea that it's news. Nick is always the victim. That's the only way for him to function in life.

 

[RaskeDanzig]

Why is it OK for guys who have low testosterone levels to use TRT when recommended by a doctor and NOT OK for guys who have anxiety to use Marijuana when recommended by a doctor if it lets them sleep/calms nerves?

Because Marijuana is illegal. Not saying it's right, but it's just one of those things that we have to live with until it changes.

 

[RaskeDanzig]

Both TRT and Marijuana have exemption forms that can be filled out. Diaz has never submitted an exemption or even attempted to get information regarding one.

Keith Kizer went as far as to say he would be willing to OK it weeks before a fight as long as it's Doctor issued.

Weed isn't unfairly getting picked on, Diaz just simply doesn't want to follow the rules.

Hmm, i didn't know this. I do remember Matt Riddle saying he told the commissions he has a medical marijuana card. I wonder why he was still punished, then.

 

[7wtc911]

He was flat out told by the NSAC. They even gave him an opportunity to show them his marijuana card and he said he didn't have one even though he said he had one before.

The marijuana and TRT exemptions aren't secret. I'm not sure where you get the idea that it's news. Nick is always the victim. That's the only way for him to function in life.

Maybe that was his anxiety or medicine preventing his critical thinking ability to answer the question. Could have been a miscommunication / misunderstanding

Are there any fighters that have been awarded Marijuana exemptions?

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Crazy, didn't know all of that.

Does the UFC have it's own policy against Marijuana too? Do you know>?

UFC doesn't make the rules, the state athletic commissions do. If a fighter gets cut, it's typically because of a second drug failure. The reason being is the commissions won't license the fighter so there's no point in keeping them around.

Marijuana is allowed as long as you provide proof of your medical marijuana card and file an exemption form. If you don't and get caught, since marijuana is still illegal federally, it's a banned substance and you will be fined and/or suspended. The suspension is also far less than that of steroids.

 

[ostlerrage]

I do hope the commission tests for every drug that's illegal otherwise they're hypocrites. They should test for cocaine, heroin. ecstasy and everything. None of these will probably help your performance but according to their standards they should be tested for. they should also test for gamma radiation just in case the hulk turns up.

how bout these wankers just test for PED's and focus their efforts on making competition fair. Dickheads, testing for marijuana is retarded.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Maybe that was his anxiety or medicine preventing his critical thinking ability to answer the question. Could have been a miscommunication / misunderstanding

Are there any fighters that have been awarded Marijuana exemptions?

I haven't heard of any. I think most guys just do it recreationaly and don't want to or need to go through the trouble of getting a medical card. It's just more paper work for them and potential extra drug testing. Still, if you are going to be smoking close to a fight and you actually need it like in Nick's case, file the freaking exemption. Problem solved.

TRT exemptions are blowing up on the other hand. Duffee, Griffin, Rampage, Sonnen, Hendo, Belfort, Mir, Marquart.