so they always give you an 8 count, and if your not up by 10 you lose... ok that helps.
thanks again guys
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Yeah but the way classic fighters used to hover over the opponent with a punch ready was ridiculous. If you got knocked down, the fight was pretty much over because you weren't getting back to your feet.
That's the name of the game.
KO the man, beat him into submission, get him before he gets you.
That is what a fight is. It's a brutal reality, but professional fighters make the decision to enter this brutal trade. Frankly, I'm always amazed that Boxing is legal at all because utimately it's legalized assault, beating up (or attempting to beat up) another man for payment...with thousands of eye-witnesses to the assault.
With millions upon millions of dollars to be made, THAT'S why it's legal.
However, it's also man to man within some rules , and it will ALWAYS hold appeal.
Tunney knocked down Dempsey with a great right hand, hovered there despite the new neutral corner rule, and Dempsey immediately got back to his feet and resumed chasing Tunney around the ring.
Without the Standing 8 Count (which became widespread only in about 1982 or '83), plenty of fighters got back to their feet and got back in the fight; it wasn't "pretty much over" because a man was knocked down. It seems you're thinking of the neutral corner rule ie hover over the opponent, not the Standing 8 Count.
Do you approve of referees completely CHANGING the outcome of the fight?
The Standing 8 Count is garbage and ought to be thrown out.
A professional fighter's goal is to KO the other man, and just when he's finally got the guy just where he wants him, ie In BIG Trouble, and when just another punch or 2 would bring the KO he's been working so hard for...,the REF breaks in between them, STOPPING the action, giving the hurt man a standing 8 Count, PREVENTING the KO from happening.
F'in $#!t-rule that takes the victory away from a man as the almost-finished man is saved by the Standing 8 Count, gets on his bicycle, and sometimes gets back in the fight, sometimes even winning when by all rights, he should have been knocked out rds earlier.
Standing 8 Count doesn't ensure "fighter safety".
It steals the KO victory away from 1 man, and also often just allows the hurt fighter a brief respite where he collects his senses enough to take further punishment.
Instead of 1 or 2 more punches which would KO the man, the Standing 8 Count rescues him from the KO but then he often just takes dozens more punches to the head for several more rds following the Standing 8 Count.
The Standing 8 Count is another bull$#!t rule which gained a lot of credence because of the misguided support of the WBC's Jose Sulaiman who also bears blame for:
- elimination of 15 rd fights in favour of 12 rds.
- the change from SAME-DAY weigh-ins to DAY-BEFORE weigh-ins.
- the creation of all these super and junior intermediate weight classes (From 8 classes to 17!)
- Jose Sulaiman also bears blame for the creation of the Cruiserweight division because he thought the perfect-sized fighting men (185 to 215 lb heavyweights) could not compete with bigger 230+ lb modern Heavyweights.
A big Thumbs down to the F'in Standing 8 Count which steals KO victories away from warriors, and also allows the injured fighter to take many additional concussive head-blows...only to be given ANOTHER Standing 8 Count, another save, and then MORE concussive head-blows.
An even BIGGER Thumbs down to Jose Sulaiman for severely damaging the sport of Boxing.
LOL, GTFO. The standing 8 count is just fine thank you very much. As Seano said, the old days of "Hover over your downed opponent" is what was nonsense( and resulted in many more ringside injuries and ultimately in-ring deaths). A smart fighter should take an 8 count regardless if the rule is in effect. The referee is in the ring to ensure the fighters safety. He thinks the fighters had enough, it's his job to stop it. There's been plenty of times a referee has stopped before the standing 8 finished. The ref thinks the fighter's able to go on, and the standing 8 is in effect, then it goes on. Sure there's been situations where a fighters used the standing 8 to survive and bend the rules (spitting out the mouthpiece and so forth) but there's ALWAYS been controversy over human error and the referee and there always will be.
ugh...the dempsey-willard fight comes to mind here where dempsey completely destroys willard...just stalks and waits for him to get up and unloads on him again..it was damn vicious to watch
youtube it to see clearly why there is a 8 count
People are giving the Dempsey - Willard fight as an example as to why there should be a stading 8 count, but to me that slaughterfest has more to do with the fact they didnt force the Boxers to go back to the their corners after a KD.
I could do without the stading 8 if im honest, but is fine either way.
A case in point was in evidence last night on ESPN Classics. They had the old Max Baer vs Primo Carnera on last night. Max Baer knocks Primo down in the first, and as soon as he stumbles up to a knee, he's getting hit again. He probably got hit a half dozen good shots while being what would be called "down" in todays game. Pretty sickening really.
Wow...