Social Spying on Trump confirmed: Operation Crossfire Hurricane ***UPDATE: Comey Admits, "I Was Wrong" ***

Edison Carasio said:
It hurts the third party vote more than normal too. Imagine how many independent might gave seriously considered the third party.
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I honestly think Trump has opened the door to a viable 3rd party candidate.

The only problem is getting them the money.
 
bobgeese said:
So you supported a person for president who was either too stupid, or too careless to recognize the importance of protecting classified information.


Got it...
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No I support the rule of law and our law enforcement. Tell me again how many times did Hillary try to paint the people investigating her as criminals?
 
bobgeese said:
Spying on Trump confirmed: Operation Crossfire Hurricane/About that mole



Ok, there is now a plethora of evidence that has been made public that the FBI was in fact spying on the Trump campaign, and went so far as to plant a “mole” (likely Stefan Halper). There are multiple stories breaking this week, and the fbi through the NYT is trying to get ahead of it by leaking it to soften the blow, but that’s not working. So to start, here is the first story to break.


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WSJ: About That FBI ‘Source’

Did the bureau engage in outright spying against the 2016 Trump campaign?


“The Department of Justice lost its latest battle with Congress Thursday when it allowed House Intelligence Committee members to view classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign. Even without official confirmation of that source’s name, the news so far holds some stunning implications.

Among them is that the Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation outright hid critical information from a congressional investigation. In a Thursday press conference, Speaker Paul Ryan bluntly noted that Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes’s request for details on this secret source was “wholly appropriate,” “completely within the scope” of the committee’s long-running FBI investigation, and “something that probably should have been answered a while ago.” Translation: The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.” Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

The bureau already has some explaining to do. Thanks to the Washington Post’s unnamed law-enforcement leakers, we know Mr. Nunes’s request deals with a “top secret intelligence source” of the FBI and CIA, who is a U.S. citizen and who was involved in the Russia collusion probe. When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.

This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough. Obama political appointees rampantly “unmasked” Trump campaign officials to monitor their conversations, while the FBI played dirty with its surveillance warrant against Carter Page, failing to tell the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that its supporting information came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

Which would lead to another big question for the FBI: When? The bureau has been doggedly sticking with its story that a tip in July 2016 about the drunken ramblings of George Papadopoulos launched its counterintelligence probe. Still, the players in this affair—the FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authors—have been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?

And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.

We also know that among the Justice Department’s stated reasons for not complying with the Nunes subpoena was its worry that to do so might damage international relationships. This suggests the “source” may be overseas, have ties to foreign intelligence, or both. That’s notable, given the highly suspicious role foreigners have played in this escapade. It was an Australian diplomat who reported the Papadopoulos conversation. Dossier author Christopher Steele is British, used to work for MI6, and retains ties to that spy agency as well as to a network of former spooks. It was a former British diplomat who tipped off Sen. John McCain to the dossier. How this “top secret” source fits into this puzzle could matter deeply.

I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it. But what is clear is that we’ve barely scratched the surface of the FBI’s 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible. It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid.”



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Ok, so Kimberly Strassel broke the story, there’s a spy planted in the Trump campaign (Likely Stefan Halper). In an attempt to get out in front of it, an article was published by the NYT.


“At least one” U.S. government informant met with Trump campaign officials in the run-up to the 2016 presidential election, the New York Times reported Wednesday.

That person met “several times” with campaign national security advisers Carter Page and George Papadopoulos, according to the report, which offered no additional information on the informant’s identity or connection with U.S. authorities.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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Here is Strassels response



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So a few important points on that new NYT "Hurricane Crossfire" piece. A story that, BTW, all of us following this knew had to be coming.


1. This is DOJ/FBI leakers' attempt to get in front of the facts Nunes is forcing out, to make it not sound so bad. Don't buy it. It's bad.


2. Biggest takeaway: Govt "sources" admit that, indeed, the Obama DOJ and FBI spied on the Trump campaign. Spied. (Tho NYT kindly calls spy an "informant.") NYT slips in confirmation far down in story, and makes it out like it isn't a big deal. It is a very big deal.


3. In self-serving desire to get a sympathetic story about its actions, DOJ/FBI leakers are willing to provide yet more details about that "top secret" source (namely, that spying was aimed at Page/Papadopoulos)--making all more likely/certain source will be outed. That's on them


4. DOJ/FBI (and its leakers) have shredded what little credibility they have in claiming they cannot comply with subpoena. They are willing to provide details to friendly media, but not Congress? Willing to risk very source they claim to need to protect?


5. Back in Dec., NYT assured us it was the Papadopoulos-Downer convo that inspired FBI to launch official counterintelligence operation on July 31, 2016. Which was convenient, since it diminished the role of the dossier. However . . .


6. Now NYT tells us FBI didn't debrief downer until August 2nd. And Nunes says no "official intelligence" from allies was delivered to FBI about that convo prior to July 31. So how did FBI get Downer details? (Political actors?) And what really did inspire the CI investigation?


7. As for whether to believe line that FBI operated soberly/carefully/judiciously in 2016, a main source for this judgment is, um . . .uh . . . Sally Yates. Who was in middle of it all. A bit like asking Putin to reassure that Russia didn't meddle in our election.


8. On that, if u r wondering who narrated this story, note paragraphs that assure everybody that hardly anybody in DOJ knew about probe. Oh, and Comey also was given few details. Nobody knew nothin'! (Cuz when u require whole story saying u behaved, it means u know you didn't.)

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Here is fusion gps confirming there was a spy


“Fusion’s Simpson Stands by Testimony that FBI Had Spy in Trump Campaign


Simpson’s lawyer, Joshua Levy, sent a short reply letter to Senator Grassley, stating:

I am writing in response to your letter, dated January 11, 2018, in which you have asked about the August 22, 2017 testimony from our client Glenn Simpson that Christopher Steele in the fall of 2016 said he believed the FBI had another source within the Trump organization/campaign. Mr. Simpson stands by his testimony.”



https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-campaign-fbi-spy-glenn-simpson-stands-by-testimony/

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Remember when folks here were claiming the Obama administration wasn’t spying on Trump?
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That' a lot of speculation basedan on somethin we sosot of new for months.

The FBI said months ago that someone inside the campaign contacted them.
 
Ophydian said:
No I support the rule of law and our law enforcement. Tell me again how many times did Hillary try to paint the people investigating her as criminals?
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“If they send a signal that we're going to be like some dictatorship, like some authoritarian regime, where political opponents are going to be unfairly, fraudulently investigated, that rips at the fabric of the contract we have, that we can trust our justice system,"


You can’t make this shit up, that’s exactly what they did to trump.
 
bobgeese said:
I honestly don’t know if planting a spy in your political opponents campaign is illegal, however it’s a hell of a precedent to set not that republicans are in charge.

I’ll have to double check, but I’m pretty sure Comey lies about some of this shit, under oath.
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The FBI was Trump's political opponent?
 
It is an attack on a duly elected President of the United States. It's called treason.

The timeline laid out by Strassel makes this entrapment. Everyone is going to get a walk in the end. The Leftists have been exposed.
 
bobgeese said:
“If they send a signal that we're going to be like some dictatorship, like some authoritarian regime, where political opponents are going to be unfairly, fraudulently investigated, that rips at the fabric of the contract we have, that we can trust our justice system,"


You can’t make this shit up, that’s exactly what they did to trump.
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That's right, don't let the hiking boots fool you, Hillary appointed Rod Rosenstein after she fired Sally Yates, Christopher Wray after she fired Jim Comey, Geoffrey Berman after she fired Preet Bharara, and of course she put old Jeff Sessions in there as a patsy, like the mob did in the movie Casino with Phil Greene.
 
I remember when the Left said stuff like this was all a CT. That there was no way the DOJ & FBI was doing stuff like this

Consistently while more and more has come out it has now switched to it's ok to do all this stuff. The Campaign deserved it.

It was a mere year ago that the thought of all this happening was thought impossible. There is no way a government would do this against a presidential candidate. It's just crazy CT shit. Now those same people are saying it's fine now.

So should Trump get the DOJ & FBI ready to spy on his next opponent?
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
The FBI was Trump's political opponent?
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No, but Trump was Obama’s political opponent. Remember he stated he would take it personally if trump won.

Now he has sperm on his head in his presidential portrait.

How the mighty have fallen...
 
This is called investigating a criminal organization which the Trump organization is.
 
bobgeese said:
Spying on Trump confirmed: Operation Crossfire Hurricane/About that mole



Ok, there is now a plethora of evidence that has been made public that the FBI was in fact spying on the Trump campaign, and went so far as to plant a “mole” (likely Stefan Halper). There are multiple stories breaking this week, and the fbi through the NYT is trying to get ahead of it by leaking it to soften the blow, but that’s not working. So to start, here is the first story to break.


.....


WSJ: About That FBI ‘Source’

Did the bureau engage in outright spying against the 2016 Trump campaign?


“The Department of Justice lost its latest battle with Congress Thursday when it allowed House Intelligence Committee members to view classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign. Even without official confirmation of that source’s name, the news so far holds some stunning implications.

Among them is that the Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation outright hid critical information from a congressional investigation. In a Thursday press conference, Speaker Paul Ryan bluntly noted that Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes’s request for details on this secret source was “wholly appropriate,” “completely within the scope” of the committee’s long-running FBI investigation, and “something that probably should have been answered a while ago.” Translation: The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.” Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

The bureau already has some explaining to do. Thanks to the Washington Post’s unnamed law-enforcement leakers, we know Mr. Nunes’s request deals with a “top secret intelligence source” of the FBI and CIA, who is a U.S. citizen and who was involved in the Russia collusion probe. When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.

This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough. Obama political appointees rampantly “unmasked” Trump campaign officials to monitor their conversations, while the FBI played dirty with its surveillance warrant against Carter Page, failing to tell the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that its supporting information came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

Which would lead to another big question for the FBI: When? The bureau has been doggedly sticking with its story that a tip in July 2016 about the drunken ramblings of George Papadopoulos launched its counterintelligence probe. Still, the players in this affair—the FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authors—have been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?

And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.

We also know that among the Justice Department’s stated reasons for not complying with the Nunes subpoena was its worry that to do so might damage international relationships. This suggests the “source” may be overseas, have ties to foreign intelligence, or both. That’s notable, given the highly suspicious role foreigners have played in this escapade. It was an Australian diplomat who reported the Papadopoulos conversation. Dossier author Christopher Steele is British, used to work for MI6, and retains ties to that spy agency as well as to a network of former spooks. It was a former British diplomat who tipped off Sen. John McCain to the dossier. How this “top secret” source fits into this puzzle could matter deeply.

I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it. But what is clear is that we’ve barely scratched the surface of the FBI’s 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible. It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid.”



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Ok, so Kimberly Strassel broke the story, there’s a spy planted in the Trump campaign (Likely Stefan Halper). In an attempt to get out in front of it, an article was published by the NYT.


“At least one” U.S. government informant met with Trump campaign officials in the run-up to the 2016 presidential election, the New York Times reported Wednesday.

That person met “several times” with campaign national security advisers Carter Page and George Papadopoulos, according to the report, which offered no additional information on the informant’s identity or connection with U.S. authorities.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

......


Here is Strassels response



......



So a few important points on that new NYT "Hurricane Crossfire" piece. A story that, BTW, all of us following this knew had to be coming.


1. This is DOJ/FBI leakers' attempt to get in front of the facts Nunes is forcing out, to make it not sound so bad. Don't buy it. It's bad.


2. Biggest takeaway: Govt "sources" admit that, indeed, the Obama DOJ and FBI spied on the Trump campaign. Spied. (Tho NYT kindly calls spy an "informant.") NYT slips in confirmation far down in story, and makes it out like it isn't a big deal. It is a very big deal.


3. In self-serving desire to get a sympathetic story about its actions, DOJ/FBI leakers are willing to provide yet more details about that "top secret" source (namely, that spying was aimed at Page/Papadopoulos)--making all more likely/certain source will be outed. That's on them


4. DOJ/FBI (and its leakers) have shredded what little credibility they have in claiming they cannot comply with subpoena. They are willing to provide details to friendly media, but not Congress? Willing to risk very source they claim to need to protect?


5. Back in Dec., NYT assured us it was the Papadopoulos-Downer convo that inspired FBI to launch official counterintelligence operation on July 31, 2016. Which was convenient, since it diminished the role of the dossier. However . . .


6. Now NYT tells us FBI didn't debrief downer until August 2nd. And Nunes says no "official intelligence" from allies was delivered to FBI about that convo prior to July 31. So how did FBI get Downer details? (Political actors?) And what really did inspire the CI investigation?


7. As for whether to believe line that FBI operated soberly/carefully/judiciously in 2016, a main source for this judgment is, um . . .uh . . . Sally Yates. Who was in middle of it all. A bit like asking Putin to reassure that Russia didn't meddle in our election.


8. On that, if u r wondering who narrated this story, note paragraphs that assure everybody that hardly anybody in DOJ knew about probe. Oh, and Comey also was given few details. Nobody knew nothin'! (Cuz when u require whole story saying u behaved, it means u know you didn't.)

.....


Here is fusion gps confirming there was a spy


“Fusion’s Simpson Stands by Testimony that FBI Had Spy in Trump Campaign


Simpson’s lawyer, Joshua Levy, sent a short reply letter to Senator Grassley, stating:

I am writing in response to your letter, dated January 11, 2018, in which you have asked about the August 22, 2017 testimony from our client Glenn Simpson that Christopher Steele in the fall of 2016 said he believed the FBI had another source within the Trump organization/campaign. Mr. Simpson stands by his testimony.”



https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-campaign-fbi-spy-glenn-simpson-stands-by-testimony/

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Remember when folks here were claiming the Obama administration wasn’t spying on Trump?
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Trump claimed Obama wiretapped his phones at Trump Tower, but never provided any evidence to prove this.
The FBI having a mole is not the same as Obama authorizing wiretaps.
 
Ophydian said:
I guess I missed her trial and conviction. Can you post a link for me?
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Do you see the reports coming out about the IG report?

You might want to stop defending Hillary and the fbi now. Like, right now.
 
SBJJ said:
I remember when the Left said stuff like this was all a CT. That there was no way the DOJ & FBI was doing stuff like this

Consistently while more and more has come out it has now switched to it's ok to do all this stuff. The Campaign deserved it.

It was a mere year ago that the thought of all this happening was thought impossible. There is no way a government would do this against a presidential candidate. It's just crazy CT shit. Now those same people are saying it's fine now.

So should Trump get the DOJ & FBI ready to spy on his next opponent?
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What stuff? Like stuff every law enforcement department in the nation does? Have informant on the inside of criminal enterprises. So you're telling me the FBI and DOJ would be doing something illegal if they had informant inside MS13?

The Hells Angels have been dealing with this shit for years. Are they just innocent victims being targeted by the corrupt FBI?
 
bobgeese said:
And what crimes did trump commit before July of 16?
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He and people close to him have very shady dealings. There is good reason to suspect money laundering was going on.
 
bobgeese said:
Do you see the reports coming out about the IG report?

You might want to stop defending Hillary and the fbi now. Like, right now.
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I am not defending anyone here. I will wait for the reports to come out and make my judgement then.
 
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