specifically, what throw is this called?

[Blast D*]

Uda garuma? harai goshi? hane goshi?

 

[Kimuralex]

wizzer grip harai gosh i would say. i recently learned the wizzer uchi mata and fell in love

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

yep, harai.

 

[The Colonel]

That's still one of my favorite throws that I've ever seen in MMA. Sergei is the man.

 

[KenTheWalrus]

It looks like Ashi Guruma to me, not Harai Goshi, although an argument can be made for both. The leg looks as if it is the fulcrum and not the sweep as it would be with Harai Goshi. -ken

 

[EmeklioCrocough]

harai goshi bro. its a great throw for mma, and no one knows it except the judo/sambo guys and maybe some of the wrestlers.

Leites displayed how effective and amazing this throw is against sword. I think almost every fight where there is guys that dont know judo who are tied up against the cage always have an opportunity for this throw yet they just dont know it..it kind of pisses me off.

 

[YeahBee]

beautiful here are some more

DAKI AGE BIATCHES!

 

[bjjbryce]

It looks like Ashi Guruma to me, not Harai Goshi, although an argument can be made for both. The leg looks as if it is the fulcrum and not the sweep as it would be with Harai Goshi. -ken

Yeah but there is some hip contact there, and also, he doesn't really do a proper wheeling motion that you frequently find in x-guruma throws. But like you said, hard to tell.

to the OP, too often will you throws executed in MMA or JUDO comp that are not easily classifiable as one particular throw, but are hybrids.

I still say Harai though.

 

[Spoonman7]

the leg is high and an argument can be made for ashi guruma as Harai goshi is usually a little lower just above the knee. usually with harai it is a little lower and the leg cuts right around knee level.

 

[kaboom187]

Funny thing is the file name of that image says "haraigoshiMMA.gif"

 

[KenTheWalrus]

Yeah but there is some hip contact there, and also, he doesn't really do a proper wheeling motion that you frequently find in x-guruma throws. But like you said, hard to tell.

Yeah, the hip contact is why I didn't call it an outright ashi guruma. I called it an ashi because it looks like he uses the leg to stop motion and then uses body torque to wheel over the leg. It has that little pause from guruma, that "aw crap" momentary loss of motion. It doesn't look like there is lift coming from the "sweeping" leg, but it's hard to tell. Maybe a harai goshi guruma or sweeping hip wheel?

I wish I could see it from the left side. -ken

 

[Rip-Rabbo]

O-guruma methinks.

 

[Q mystic]

O-guruma methinks.

I agree. Could be harai but I just don't see enuff upperbody contact... where harai is a very 'sticky' throw it seems. Harai seems like it would be a higher load. Finicky.

OTOH, O guruma should go the other direction but Ninja looks like he is going around.

 

[EmeklioCrocough]

o goruma is alot higher then that. that is 100% harai. in the end who gives a fuck. he threw him on his ass and it looked good.

 

[Q mystic]

o goruma is alot higher then that. that is 100% harai. in the end who gives a fuck. he threw him on his ass and it looked good.

HeHeHe. I'll bite, for fun.

No it isn't higher. The load here isn't the same as harai. A harai would require more closer contact and hence 'commitment' where the kake is really almost a roll with uke in randori.

At the breaking point here we see Kharitonov, in full standing form almost, doing his own 'separate' drop ala randori oguruma. Which of course is usually done by the heavier fella.

 

[Darkslide632]

O-Guruma was my vote, however, like almost every time you see this type of throw used, it could be argued that it is harai-goshi (In a lot of instances I think ashi-guruma is also a consideration, but the leg is too high here). Personally I think they would both qualify. You'll notice that there is a minor sweep with the hips happening, but it is not very pronounced, partially due, as Q stated, to the fact that uke is a little outside of good harai placement. If you look closely, you'll also see that tori's driving leg is not bent during the throw despite the fact that uke is shorter. That makes it difficult to load uke on your hip as you would in harai goshi.You will also notice that there is a significant wheeling motion of uke over tori's leg and hip, which are relatively static.

It was probably an attempt at harai that turned into something of a O-Guruma. Personally, I don't think it matters all that much, but I'll support Q in saying that O-Guruma certainly does not have to be any higher than it is in that video.

 

[Q mystic]

O-Guruma was my vote, however, like almost every time you see this type of throw used, it could be argued that it is harai-goshi (In a lot of instances I think ashi-guruma is also a consideration, but the leg is too high here). Personally I think they would both qualify. You'll notice that there is a minor sweep with the hips happening, but it is not very pronounced, partially due, as Q stated, to the fact that uke is a little outside of good harai placement. You will also notice that there is a significant wheeling motion of uke over tori's static leg.

If you look closely, you'll see that tori's driving leg is not bent during the throw despite the fact that uke is shorter. That makes it difficult to load uke on your hip as you would in harai goshi.

It was probably an attempt at harai that turned into something of a O-Guruma. Personally, I don't think it matters all that much, but I'll support Q in saying that O-Guruma certainly does not have to be any higher than it is in that video.

Kudos and if it'd be the other direction it would be obvious O guruma. Ala' Karo vs the boxer type.

'If'n' plays a nice squirrely if not too cool here but the way the land is for sure should make it. Thats a leg throw.

 

[Blast D*]

to me, (im no expert on judo) it is not a Harai Goshi.

but it is one of the coolest throws ever hit in MMA by an elite fighter (a heavy weight at that) and it deserves more appreciation.

 

[Blast D*]

ttt

 

[Bubble Boy]

I'm with the O-guruma crowd on this one. It's funny because the throw kind of evolves as it progresses: it starts as an ashi guruma, moves to harai, and then gets high enough across the hips to be an O-guruma.
Interesting thread.