Social Spanish left + Muslims seek to turn the Cathedral of Cordoba into Mosque , along with being a church

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/07/cathedral-cordoba-belongs-catholic-church/

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/spanish-cathedral-targeted-for-reversing-the-reconquista

I first became aware of this on a Lebanese forum, back in December. The actual article is from the National Review from 2017. And the NCRegister article is from 2017 also.


The Cathedral of Cordoba was the Grand Mosque of Cordoba, the later was converted to a Church when Christians kicked out the Muslim invaders. BUT.. the Mosque was built on the site of a Church , the Basilica of Saint Vincent, which was demolished by the Muslim rulers to build the Grand Mosque of Cordoba. Standard practice for Religious imperialists to destroy or convert the houses of worship of the people they conquer.

Here is where I wholeheartedly disagree with the left. The left is just supporting Islamic chauvinists / bullies because it's a case of the enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend. The Church is perceived as historically supportive of Fascist Spanish politics, which they were. The problem I have is that Islam itself is fascist and espouses the kind of sentiments the Left opposed the Spanish fascists for. But intersectionism and wanting allies trumps principles for many. Same reason the Rightwing tends to support the Israeli right even though the later is no friend of Christians, and Israel has been detrimental to the US.

There is something else people should keep in mind with this story, it is that the Muslim elites and Spanish Muslims are pushing to conduct prayers inside the Cathedral. That is nothing but aggressive behavior , a big ole middle finger to Christians and attempt to re-impose their culture. So this isn't just a case of a few Muslims individuals making unreasonable demands and exposing their imperialistic tendencies. When the local government would not allow prayers be conducted inside, the ex President of the Cordoba based Islamic Council started conducting Friday prayers outside the church. Just a blatant symbol of cultural imperialism.

For Osama Bin Laden , Al Qaeda and Islamists the memory of Al Andalus is still a point of contention. As we see here this kind of cultural imperialistic mindset isn't just a fringe sympathy.

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Muslims and Left leaning revisionists are trying to claim the Muslim period of rule was a tolerant period.

A questionable historical narrative informs a significant component of the Spanish Left’s case against the Church. The cathedral, or mosque-cathedral as it is sometimes called, represents “a universal paradigm of concord between cultures” according to the platform’s petition. When Spain was under Muslim control, interreligious harmony and tolerance supposedly reigned. Therefore, as a symbol of interreligious concord, the cathedral shouldn’t belong to any one religious body.

^^Which is bollocks.

Darío Fernández-Morera, an associate professor in the department of Spanish and Portuguese at Northwestern University, has argued that medieval Spain was not an interreligious paradise. In an interview with National Review, he deconstructed this largely fictionalized historical narrative, saying that “the life of a Christian was close to the value of the life of a Muslim woman, which in turn was about half the value of a Muslim man.”


According to Professor Fernández-Morera, if a Christian killed a Muslim, even in self-defense, the Christian had to be killed, but if a Muslim killed a Christian, even intentionally, the Muslim could not be killed. Moreover, Christians couldn’t testify against a Muslim in court because his testimony wouldn’t be valid. “There is simply no legal basis,” he said, “for the idea that this was a tolerant community.”

And Obama gets taken in by this disingenuous propaganda campaign. Or maybe he just said what he said for geo-political reasons and globalist ideals.
President Barack Obama hailed Córdoba’s “proud tradition of tolerance” in his infamous speech on Islam in Cairo in 2009, and similar claims were made by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf when he worked to erect the mosque at Ground Zero in New York under the name of the “Córdoba House.”

Now you could argue that back then Islamic society was more tolerant than Christianity, which may or may not be true but that is not saying much at all. Christianity in Span being less tolerant does not mean Islam was not also highly intolerant.
 
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Just say no and recover the basilica of st. sophia for good measures.
 
Jesus fuck when does this fucking bullshit end?
 
Hopefully the Spanish still have some sense left, and put up some beautiful paintings in their church instead.
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This is awesome. So glad they are doing this and showing the world how people of different religions can share one holy ground. The Muslims were kicked out from here and it was there ground originally. It really is so kind of them to be willing to share with Christians instead of demand it all back. Another example of Muslims looking for peace
 
This is awesome. So glad they are doing this and showing the world how people of different religions can share one holy ground. The Muslims were kicked out from here and it was there ground originally. It really is so kind of them to be willing to share with Christians instead of demand it all back. Another example of Muslims looking for peace
It wasn't their ground, they came in by force and took it. Just like most of the spread of Islam, it was spread by the sword for the most part. While Buddhism and Christianity didn't have that aspect . Spain had been Christian for hundreds of years before the Islamic conquest. The Spanish took it back and kicked the muslims out. As they had been subjected to centuries of slaving raids and felt they didn't want a fifth colum waiting around to help pirates out. You realize that Spain and Italy ended up depopulatiing their coasts due to constant raids in the 1500-1600s?
Or that the reason the Maltese fought so hard in 1565 is because the muslims raided Gozo and depopulated It the year before?
Now add in modern Islamic terrorism and the just general obnoxiousness that Muslims in the west create, and there's reason to not to want them to grow. Yet here they are, liberals giving away their country to people who will radically change it, and not for the better
 
It wasn't their ground, they came in by force and took it. Just like most of the spread of Islam, it was spread by the sword for the most part. While Buddhism and Christianity didn't have that aspect . Spain had been Christian for hundreds of years before the Islamic conquest. The Spanish took it back and kicked the muslims out. As they had been subjected to centuries of slaving raids and felt they didn't want a fifth colum waiting around to help pirates out. You realize that Spain and Italy ended up depopulatiing their coasts due to constant raids in the 1500-1600s?
Or that the reason the Maltese fought so hard in 1565 is because the muslims raided Gozo and depopulated It the year before?
Now add in modern Islamic terrorism and the just general obnoxiousness that Muslims in the west create, and there's reason to not to want them to grow. Yet here they are, liberals giving away their country to people who will radically change it, and not for the better
It's so cool of the muslims to try and share and be good teammates. We're all human and we all should love each other. The violent history of Islam is very overblown. It's a religion of peace and they have committed no more historical atrocities than Christians. The vast majority of Muslims are great people it's the .01% terrorists that give the rest a bad name.

Like I said this is so cool and so beautiful to see Muslims being accepted into another country and finding a home in Europe. Racism kept them out of Europe for so long and I'm glad the Spanish are making reparations. Absolutely terrible what the Christians did to the peaceful people of Islam.
 
This is awesome. So glad they are doing this and showing the world how people of different religions can share one holy ground. The Muslims were kicked out from here and it was there ground originally. It really is so kind of them to be willing to share with Christians instead of demand it all back. Another example of Muslims looking for peace

You're getting really obvious with your trolling.
 
It wasn't their ground, they came in by force and took it. Just like most of the spread of Islam, it was spread by the sword for the most part. While Buddhism and Christianity didn't have that aspect . Spain had been Christian for hundreds of years before the Islamic conquest. The Spanish took it back and kicked the muslims out. As they had been subjected to centuries of slaving raids and felt they didn't want a fifth colum waiting around to help pirates out. You realize that Spain and Italy ended up depopulatiing their coasts due to constant raids in the 1500-1600s?
Or that the reason the Maltese fought so hard in 1565 is because the muslims raided Gozo and depopulated It the year before?
Now add in modern Islamic terrorism and the just general obnoxiousness that Muslims in the west create, and there's reason to not to want them to grow. Yet here they are, liberals giving away their country to people who will radically change it, and not for the better
I think he was being sarcastic, atleast that is how it sounds like to me.
 
Liberalism is a 5th column of traitors

This century will see the end of liberalism forever.
You're getting really obvious with your trolling.

Ban
It wasn't their ground, they came in by force and took it. Just like most of the spread of Islam, it was spread by the sword for the most part. While Buddhism and Christianity didn't have that aspect . Spain had been Christian for hundreds of years before the Islamic conquest. The Spanish took it back and kicked the muslims out. As they had been subjected to centuries of slaving raids and felt they didn't want a fifth colum waiting around to help pirates out. You realize that Spain and Italy ended up depopulatiing their coasts due to constant raids in the 1500-1600s?
Or that the reason the Maltese fought so hard in 1565 is because the muslims raided Gozo and depopulated It the year before?
Now add in modern Islamic terrorism and the just general obnoxiousness that Muslims in the west create, and there's reason to not to want them to grow. Yet here they are, liberals giving away their country to people who will radically change it, and not for the better

Many populations did convert to Islam though.
 
It wasn't their ground, they came in by force and took it. Just like most of the spread of Islam, it was spread by the sword for the most part. While Buddhism and Christianity didn't have that aspect . Spain had been Christian for hundreds of years before the Islamic conquest. The Spanish took it back and kicked the muslims out. As they had been subjected to centuries of slaving raids and felt they didn't want a fifth colum waiting around to help pirates out. You realize that Spain and Italy ended up depopulatiing their coasts due to constant raids in the 1500-1600s?
Or that the reason the Maltese fought so hard in 1565 is because the muslims raided Gozo and depopulated It the year before?
Now add in modern Islamic terrorism and the just general obnoxiousness that Muslims in the west create, and there's reason to not to want them to grow. Yet here they are, liberals giving away their country to people who will radically change it, and not for the better
I think Christianity is better and it's harmless nowadays while Islam is still violent but it was also spread by force.
It's true it started as an underground religion that was persecuted while Islam very quickly was on the offensive (Muhammad was persecuted in Mecca for a while), so there is some aspect of tolerance but after a while it became very aggressive. I also understand that their feud with the muslims was defensive, Muslims invaded Christian lands and Christians fought back.
However, after European kings became Christian they persecuted pagans. Charlemagne basically said you either convert to Christianity or I kill you. In Latin America the Spanish burned all the Mayan religious books, killed their priests and again said convert or die. With slaves they didn't even ask, they just said you're now a Christian and if you worship your African gods we kill you, then Africans celebrated cults with Catholic saints representing African deities to hide it. That's how Afro-Brazilian religions started.
I'm not condemning it, that's how things worked at the time. If you let a bunch of muslims in an European country they would act as a fifth column and if the spanish didn't erase mesoamerican religions and languages they would have a much harder time ruling there.
 
It's so cool of the muslims to try and share and be good teammates. We're all human and we all should love each other. The violent history of Islam is very overblown. It's a religion of peace and they have committed no more historical atrocities than Christians. The vast majority of Muslims are great people it's the .01% terrorists that give the rest a bad name.

Like I said this is so cool and so beautiful to see Muslims being accepted into another country and finding a home in Europe. Racism kept them out of Europe for so long and I'm glad the Spanish are making reparations. Absolutely terrible what the Christians did to the peaceful people of Islam.

Your troll game is weak.
 
It's a good idea for the desert death cults to be made to share so they can either learn to get along or wipe each other out , either would be fine with me .
 
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