Sorry for newbie question but beware it IS a newbie question - about RANDY COUTURE

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by TommyHearns, Sep 9, 2005.

  1. TommyHearns

    TommyHearns Yellow Belt

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    OK so i was watching UFC and Randy was fighting some guy and he was in clinch, very close together, and Randy casually walked a few feet forward then suddenly turned around and slammed him to the ground. I never saw something like that b4, why did he walk forward like he did, what was he doing etc. it looked so cool!

    If u dont recognize the takedown im talking about well i remember the commentators said something like "poetry in motion".
     
  2. stephensharp

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    Randy uses a number of beautiful takedowns from his Grecco background. He likely got the guy walking because it's easier to take someone down off movement, because if you're moving, your balance is automatically broken to some degree. Additionally, if he was pushing the guy backward, and guy attempted to push back, he'd do half Randy's work for him as he turned back.

    Grecco and Judo are highly similar in the psychology of upper body takedowns. A lot of pushing and pulling and turning, not always as a direct route to a takedown as often as to get th eother guy to move in a way that facilitates it.
     
  3. mmahamzah

    mmahamzah Sheeeeit

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    greco wrestling is upper body used a lot
     
  4. Spoonman7

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    which fight was it, sounds like his fight with Tito, could have been the Ricco fight as well.
     
  5. mmahamzah

    mmahamzah Sheeeeit

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    fedor does it a lot aswell
     
  6. TommyHearns

    TommyHearns Yellow Belt

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    I think it might have been Ricco fight it was most perfect takedown i ever saw.
     
  7. stephensharp

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    Sambo = Judo + Grecco on a perfect world... Holds and throws that Judoka would call "unorthodox", and submissions that of course would never be seen in Grecco.
     
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    Randy has the most vicious takedowns..he's a beast when he wants to take someone down
     
  9. TJS

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    sounds like the foot sweep he did on ricco.
     
  10. wildcard_seven

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    Would this be the same type of foot sweep Trevor Prangley did on Travis Lutter? (prelim highlights at the end of the last UFC)
     
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    wildcard_seven Purple Belt

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    Oh, by the way...how is that sweep done?
     
  12. stephensharp

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    I think it was a foot prop. Push, push, push, pull... When his foot comes forward off the pull, get your instep just above his foot. Guy goes flying over it and your hip. Kinda like a hiza guruma in Judo.

    http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/hizaguruma.htm

    But, Randy did it with a body lock. You twist so that you end up landing on the guy. Randy uses a shitload of ankle props and foot sweeps.
     
  13. TommyHearns

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    Yes that was the one, he twisted when he did it and landed on the guy. It could have been done in a phonebooth minus the going down part.
     
  14. I-Shoji

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    It was a combination of his "twist" and "footsweep". Get his DVD on upperbody clicnh takedowns..

    It's decidedly the shit.

    Basicly he gets people walking pushing them so they resist. The one you are talking about he's pushing him a big backwards and to his left, then using his underhook he actually has ricco's arm kind of trapped pushing his forearm into ricco's upperarm with the hand on his shoulder. This is more akin to a grecco style underhook, which isolated the arm better then gripping their back. He just gets Ricco resisting the backwards and left motion, then suddeny pushes him to the right twisting his upperbody (hence "the twist". He adds a little push on ricco's right leg leg with his instep and down he goes.

    It is indeed one of the most beautifull examples of pure technique and effortless takedown I've seen in MMA. Fedor's takedowns are similar in that he wastes no power.
     
  15. Rory McDonell

    Rory McDonell Green Belt Professional Fighter

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    Its definetly not a Greco throw. Any sort of attack on the legs is against the rules, including footsweeps. This is a freestyle move.
     
  16. aries

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    Randy is very well versed in freestyle wrestling as well as greco. Mixing the two gives a lot of options.
     
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    He was making the guy push forward into the throw. By forcing or walking him back, Randy makes the guy push in the direction he wants to throw.
     
  18. anthony27

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    Well the greco part of it is knowing that Ricco isn't going to attack his legs hence the ability to stand straight up and getting the kind of arm position on him it comes directly from greco. The addition of the foot sweep is simply an added tool used to off balance the opponent. since it is of course allowed in MMA. If he misses the throw in greco it's called a slip and they stand back up. If he misses the throw in mma then ricco is on top of him and he get's punched in the face armbarred and just definitely doesn't want to be in that position. So yes it's still a greco throw the use of the foot is a little insurance policy. I'm sure he wouldn't have attpted that throw if he wasn't allowed to use his feet. It would be too risky in the event of a slip.
     
  19. kdahlenburg

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    Randy is the man, what he does is magic and one should never try and copy him as he is to good.
     
  20. DaRuckus337

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    Damn this is an old, pointless thread you just revived with a new, pointless post.
     

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