Discussion in 'Boxing Discussion' started by XThe GreatestX, Mar 22, 2020.
sonny was a bad man.
liston looks tree times duh size of em.
That's what I always say about that time that gets romanticized a lot... Liston had 25 pound on Patterson... That's like Joe Frazier vs. Artur Beterbiev. There was no cruiserweight back then... smaller contenders competed at heavyweight in order to earn more.
But sure, Liston would still smack Klitschko and Tyson Fury around,... dat supernatural black & white magic, Lol.
Has anyone said this?
On the other hand, people like you dismiss past fighters all the time based on the idea that only glorification of the past would make someone think they could actually be better than a current fighter.
Dont know but I'd watch.
Liston weighed about what Wilder does, and he would have smacked Wilder around. He'd definitely be elite in this era.
Heres a colored version.
Liston would be great in any era
Yeah. Because Patterson was just handed the title and never faced or beat any genuine HWs along the way to facing Liston, that was untreaded water for him. There was a rule you could only fight guys the same exact size and build as you in the HW division back then, it's important to always remember that.
Liston would have beaten most of the best HWs of last 30 years. It's not a romanticism.
I once posted weight in protocol for Liston vs Ali bout.
Sonny had perfect timing on his uppercut in both fights. Floyd's "D'Amato" style of bobbing and weaving was extremely counterproductive against a guy who had great timing on his uppercuts. Using his later style of moving around the ring and trying to box, would've served Patterson better.
He has gone down as a brute but in truth Sonny was a quite intelligent boxer who usually came up with the correct strategies for each of his fights. The only time he truly failed to measure his opponent is when he met someone that he could not physically match in speed, Ali. If Ali was even a hint slower and more flatfooted, it would've been an interesting fight.
Liston had a lot of tools but unfortunately speed wasn't one of them. His great timing allowed him to compensate, but not against someone with lightning-fast reflexes like Ali. Patterson had fast hands, but he could be hit (especially before his style re-innovation of the mid 60's), and that was his undoing against an all-time great puncher like Liston.
To me, these are Sonny's best fights to watch, against a guy who was probably more dangerous at the time than Patterson:
The ferocity of their punching was something to behold.
When people say Liston couldn't match up to modern HWs, he did pretty good against a guy who was big and fast in Cleveland Williams:
No? 210-215 isn't around what Wilder has weighed for a lot of his recent fights?
I maybe will post link again.
There are measurments for Ali vs Liston bout: reach, weight, source from U.S.
Think he would have destroyed Tyson and Holyfield...not sure about the bigger larger heavies we have seen though
Great bodywork by Liston, mainly the lead hook to the body. Liston tried to time him with the rear uppercut when he slipped the jab a few times early on and caught him later. No idea if Liston actually had a 84 inch reach. Yes, he had long arms and wide shoulders, but to me it always sounded a bit exaggerated for his height. That said, he had a really big frame, huge hands and wrists and knew exactly how to use his physical tools.
For the first Fury fight I believe Wilder weighed around 210
He weighed in at 220 according to this, which as a bit heavy relative to most of his prime (all these weights are already published on boxrec). He weighed roughly what Wilder has weighed when Wilder has been at the elite level (a bit heavier than Wilder's recent run at the top before the last Fury fight).
Weighed in at 212 and was 208 inside the ring.